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The Dallas Mavericks have won 60 games twice in four years, and went to the Finals once = Western Conference dominance in Dallas.
are you seriously going to brag about being the regular season champion in a sport? the 05 colts could use a fan like you.
The Dallas Mavericks have won 60 games twice in four years, and went to the Finals once = Western Conference dominance in Dallas.
I'm not trying to pick on you TPark, but if we were talking basketball, you'd never stand for someone to take the position that a team that can't even get to the Finals was a dominant team. Why should that principle apply differently to YOUR baseball team?
name a team that has had as much success in the NL the last 6 years, THAN the Cardinals.you'd never stand for someone to take the position that a team that can't even get to the Finals was a dominant team
They're dominant this year, and prob next year too.Western Conference dominance in Dallas.
No question.
I guess that would depend on how you define success. If success is measured by good regular seasons and advancing one round in the playoffs, then you're right about the Cardinals. If success is measured by winning les or at least reaching the World Series a number of times in a short period, then it would be quite clear -- as I think it should be -- that the NL hasn't had a dominant team since the Braves of the 90's.
The Arizona Diamondbacks and Florida Marlins each have one championship to the Cardinals' zero.
So there's two.
So by that logic the DBacks have been as good a franchise the past 15 years as the Braves and the Marlins have been a better overall franschise than the Braves the past 15 years.
all that is being pointed out is that the card's recent regular season success means jack , they haven't won the world series and have only been once in the last 5 years despite being "dominant"
All that was being pointed out is that you can't use one form of logic to disprove a theory and discount that same form of logic when applied to another like theory. So backtracking on your statement, as the Braves are in reality the best team in baseball the past 15 years even tho they have only 1 championship and there are several teams that are one hit wonders, you still haven't answered the question... has there been a team as dominant in the NL the past 6 years as the Cards?
again, you would think a dominant team would win the NL pennant more than once. the stros won the central in 97, 98, 99 and 2001, yet no one is claiming they were dominating .
order of importance in baseball for teams:
1. World Series
2. League Pennant
The Marlins and the D-Backs won the WS in that 6 years, which is more than the Card did while dominating. The Card have won one pennant in that time. They haven't dominated anything but the regular season, which is fairly meaningless. A team with 2 great pitchers can take out any other team in a seven game series if those 2 pitchers can go twice regardless of their regular season "dominance"
Last edited by leemajors; 08-27-2006 at 10:54 AM.
So the Marlins have been dominating?
Moreso than the Cardinals, yes.
A "dominant" team does not merely appear in the playoffs several times over a period of years. Having a good organization and loyal fans does not equal "dominance." The Cardinals of the '30s, '40s, '60s and even '80s could be called dominant in the NL because they were racking up multiple pennants.
The Marlins have not been consistent, but they have two World Series les in the last ten years. That's as far as "dominance" goes in the Little-Sisters-of-the-Poor-Quadruple-A National League in recent history.
These Cardinals have had a nice run lately, but they have precious little hardware to show for it. They've been anything but "dominant." The Braves won five pennants in eight years where pennants were awarded, and they're more mocked as underachievers than revered as "dominant."
The best comparison I could draw would be the recent history of the Philadelphia Eagles. Lots of hype, one Super Bowl appearance. And unlike the Cardinals in the '04 Series, the Eagles actually put up a fight in SB XXXIX.
I think the point of referring to the Marlins and the Diamondbacks is to show that there hasn't been a dominating team in the NL of late. There doesn't have to be a dominating team in a league or conference at every point in time. The NL, of late, has had a number of pretty good teams and some that have even bothered to make the playoffs on a fairly routine basis (Cardinals, Astros, Braves). But in the modern sports world, those aren't the hallmarks of domination. For crissakes, since 1998, no NL team has qualified for the World Series more than once (San Diego, Atlanta, New York Mets, Arizona, San Francisco, Florida, St. Louis, Houston) and in the last 10 years, only Atlanta and Florida have been to the World Series more than once.
And just to note it: the Marlins DO have 2/3 of the NL's les in the last 10 years.
Given all of that, it's ridiculous to me to say that any team has dominated in the National League over any stretch of the last decade.
If anybody is dominating anybody it's the AL dominating the horse that represents the NL, the NL hasn't won a game in the world series since the marlins in 03. stros and cards both got swept like little es.
Now, this Gary Bennett guy is on a nice little run.
Yeah Bennet couldn't get a ball out of the infield all year, he gets some games here and now hes mickey friggen mantle.
Preston Wilson tonight leading off was a fantastic move.
Speed at the top of the order, got things going in the first inning.
Preston Wilson has been more than a fine addition to the team.
Great video of the walk-off on stlcardinals.com
good post and I think you may have ended the discussion
No... its just a stupid arguement. Have the Marlins won more World Series than Atlanta or the Cards the past 15 years? Yes. Are the Marlins a better franchise over the past 15 or 6 years than Atlanta or St Louis? No.
I never said the Marlins were a better franchise over the past 15 years (or over the past 6 years) than either the Braves or the Cardinals. What I said was that neither the Braves nor the Cardinals could be said to be dominant over the past 10 years. The Braves come closer when you expand it out to 15 years or so, but even that takes a pretty liberal view of what cons utes domination in sports.
Being consistent and being dominant are two completely different things, T Park and the rest need to grab a dictionary or something
Preston Wilson last night 2-4 3 RBIs.
Tonight, 2-4 leading off, providing speed.
Once again.
Thank you Houston Astros.
FYI Preston is hitting .304 with 2 doubles and 3 homers and is a perfect 3 for 3 in stolen bases since joining the Cards.
might wanna brush up on those reading skills buddy - his OBP is .304, his avg is actually .256 since joining the card.
FYI Preston is hitting .304 with 2 doubles and 3 homers and is a perfect 3 for 3 in stolen bases since joining the Cards.
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