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I give KG the edge because of his defense.
right? so now the definition of success what your 'team' does and not you as an individual? so i guess KG now is responsible for putting his team together ?this is just stupid.
I give KG the edge because of his defense.
Kg could guard all 5 positions on the floor if he had to ... this man is a freak of nature.
now dirk is a dynamite player to say the least but he is not better than KG.
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Give me Dirk. At least he attempts to be a leader and at least he is willing to take the final shot. He may have wilted under pressure before, but at least he realizes that he's got to at least step up and take the shot when his team needs him to.
KG doesn't wilt under pressure because he is never available in a pressure situation to begin with - he would just disappear and let Szcerbiak or Sprewell try to win the game.
so to use your logic if Tim Duncan defers to parker or Ginobilli at the end of a game or pressure situation then he's not a leader? so if KG is doubled and tripled teamed at the end of a game then he should just jack up a contested shot rather than finding the open guy? Sorry if Timmy D is triple teamed I hope finds an open guy to take the shot..
not talking about a single isolated, end of the game scenario here...i'm talking about big games and big moments throughout a career.
Duncan has deferred to Parker, Ginobili, Elliot, etc. many times in his career. BUT he's also taken the big shot many times as well. and no matter who's having the big game, there's no doubt as to who the leader is out there when the Spurs are playing.
Dirk has deferred to Terry, Nash, Finley, ect. many times, but he also has taken the big shot and been the leader on the floor.
Seems like every time the T-wolves needed a big play or leadership from Garnett, he disappeared and they were left with Wally Sczerbiak trying to lead them on.
It would be a tough choice for me. I would think that if KG had the same talent around him that Dirk does he'd have gone just as far or farther most years. At the same time, Dirk has improved his game each year and it appears that KG has peaked. I expect Dirk to continue to improve for another couple of years. Going forward...I'd probably take Dirk.
fair assessment.
The plain fact is, Dirk is a one way player almost to the extent Nash is. Offensively, it's pretty close, but defensively, it's a ing landslide.
KG by a mile. Dirk is a better offensive player, but KG is much better in every other category. He plays with a ton of intensity and desperately wants to win, has an MVP award, and he plays good defense and rebounds well. Neither of them are clutch so it's a wash, but I'd rather have KG.
right...he is a one way player because you said that it is "the plain fact." forget the fact that he is one of the top rebounders in the league, thats not relevent because you have established a "plain fact."
you are an idiot. you dont watch mavericks basketball, except when they play the spurs. you are one of those conventional wisdom regurgitators who kills this board. kill yourself you ing dork.
also, lets straighten something else out. people call both these guys "losers" and leave it at that. forget what happenened this year with the mavs in the finals, fine. but realize that Dirk has reached the second round of the playoffs or better every year except for one ever since he first led our franchise to the playoffs 6-7 years ago. he has led a 50 win team for the past 6 years; i think san antonio is the only other team to acheive this winning consistincy.
kg, meanwhile, struggles to ever get out of a first round. maybe he is the better player of the two, but Dirk is by far the more accomplished player, and a proven winner who has played with distinguished skill in every playoff with one exception (last yr vs. houston/phx). Based on this one year and in spite of about 5 others, this landed him a "playoff bust" tag in conventional wisdom that had a tenative relationship to reality.
as a for instance, when dirks team met kg's in the playoffs, kg was swept.
since mavs didnt ultimately win it all that year, revisionist history says: their equal...both didnt win...both losers. the totality of the information is worth considering, however.
kg gets swept and people still talk about his passion and bla bla bla like thats his edge over guys like dirk. dirk never got swept...that is embarassing.
mavs fans sucking that dirk as usuall and calling other people homers.....
Where's the "other" option?
unfortunately, there is plenty of cause to rip dirk due to his entirely unjordan/bird/wade like finals performance. that was dissapointing. it was not befitting of a player of dirk's stature. but to suggest his track winning for winning is on par with kg's as has been assumed throughout this thread, is totally false. its not supported by the facts, thats all.mavs fans sucking that dirk as usuall and calling other people homers.....
Last edited by pussyface; 08-23-2006 at 01:05 AM.
great point man... who the wants to have one of the two best power forwards of this or any other generation on their team? great point man. it, give me Gary Trent back. Hopefully the Mavs will just roll with Pops MensahBonsu here in the future. Keep the basketball points coming.
Ask yourself this, and TRY to answer honestly...
Put KG on the Mavs last year... what happens?
Put Dirk on the Wolves last year... what happens?
I THINK, Dallas would have done no worse, and perhaps better.
I THINK, Mini would have been worse.
Dallas would have lost to San Antonio in the playoffs with KG.
Dumbest comment ever. Mavs would have lost to the Spurs and the Twolves would have probably been then 8th seed. KG gets stats but never when his team needs it....dude will never win.
T-wolves would have been an 8th seed?
Maybe it has less to do with the talent surrounding these guys, and more to do with the effect they have on the talent around them.T-wolves would have been an 8th seed?
KG has never made his teammates better, that's pretty much been proven through his entire career.
I'm not going to say that Dirk elevates the game of his teammates...but it does seem like the guys around Dirk play better with him on the court. You can say that Dirk has had more talent around him, but also, maybe Dirk works with the talent around him better than KG does...just a thought...
btw, the Wolves didn't even come close to sniffing .500 with KG...hmmm "lucky to reach .500" with Dirk or "not even a prayer of reaching .500" with KG?T-wolves would have been an 8th seed?
Dirk makes his teammates better just because he creates such a matchup problem. Spurs fans should realize that more than anyone. Dirk's teammates get the benefit of having someone on them (example...Duncan trying to guard Josh) because the Spurs have to put Bowen on Dirk. KG is a damn good player but he doesn't create the matchup problems that Dirk does...hence he doesn't make his teammates better by default. The Spurs would have beaten the Mavs w/KG (instead of Dirk) for that very reason alone.
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