Muslim Faithful hanging tuff

[E20]

And what was Jesus' self defense??? He stood there and did nothing, not even open his mouth.

The message in the Quran sounds alot more like revenge to me. Self defense would have been more like, "and should someone threaten your life, and you have no choice but to retaliate do so to survive... but if you have other non-confrontational options use those instead." That would be self-defense -- not a message that says, "inflict injury."

By today's standards in society that is self-defense. But you wouldn't know the context behind verse 2:195, would you?

[Phenomanul]

By today's standards in society that is self-defense. But you wouldn't know the context behind verse 2:195, would you?

My dad borrowed my Quran... verse 194 or 195?

Anyways I'd have to look it up. I read that whole passage recently. But to give you a better answer I would have to read it again. Granted, I remember thinking the same thing when I read it the first time around {"wow, this is a completely opposite message from what JESUS taught"}...

Have you read the Hadiths of the life of Mohammed?

That guy was gory... one time he had a man dismembered simply because Mohammed 'thought' that he had been mocked. Again, opposite of JESUS who after being mocked, spit at, and physically punished by several people all He did was ask for forgiveness on their behalf...

[E20]

My dad borrowed my Quran... verse 194 or 195?

Anyways I'd have to look it up. I read that whole passage recently. But to give you a better answer I would have to read it again. Granted, I remember thinking the same thing when I read it the first time around {"wow, this is a completely opposite message from what JESUS taught"}...

Have you read the Hadiths of the life of Mohammed?

That guy was gory... one time he had a man dismembered simply because Mohammed 'thought' that he had been mocked. Again, opposite of JESUS who after being mocked, spit at, and physically punished by several people all He did was ask for forgiveness on their behalf...

I didn't read that volume, you gotta let me borrow it or give me a link, I'd like to read it.

I'd like to give you the context, but I'm not, it's 11PM here and I have work tommorow at 8.