SI.com - Battier Better Defender Than Bowen

[Louis]

Voting for DPOY

Wallace: 420 votes
Bowen: 308 votes
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Battier: 3 votes

The diffrence is that Battier can also contribute on the offensive end..

Bowen CAN'T

That's why he was cut.

[cheguevara]

The diffrence is that Battier can also contribute on the offensive end..

Bowen CAN'T

That's why he was cut.

le of the thread: "Battier Better Defender Than Bowen"

[Louis]

le of the thread: "Battier Better Defender Than Bowen"

That too...

[cheguevara]

That too...

Voting for DPOY

Wallace: 420 votes
Bowen: 308 votes
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Battier: 3 votes

[Kori Ellis]

That too...

You are honestly saying that you think Battier is a better defender than Bowen?

What the ?

I understand the talk of Battier being a better "all around player" but better defender?

You are smoking crack.

2005-06 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM

Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Total Points
Guard Bruce Bowen, San Antonio 26 3 55
Center Ben Wallace, Detroit 26 2 54
Forward Andrei Kirilenko, Utah 19 6 44
Forward Ron Artest, Sacramento 11 8 30
Guard Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 12 4 28
Guard Jason Kidd, New Jersey 9 10 28

2005-06 NBA ALL-DEFENSIVE SECOND TEAM
Position Player, Team 1st 2nd Total Points
Forward Tim Duncan, San Antonio 7 9 23
Guard Chauncey Billups, Detroit 7 9 23
Forward Kevin Garnett, Minnesota 4 10 18
Center Marcus Camby, Denver 2 11 15
Forward Tayshaun Prince, Detroit 3 7 13

Other players receiving votes, with point totals (First Team votes in parentheses): Rasheed Wallace, Detroit, 12 (3); Gerald Wallace, Charlotte, 11 (3); Shawn Marion, Phoenix, 11 (1); Raja Bell, Phoenix, 9 (2); Dwyane Wade, Miami, 8 (3); Kirk Hinrich, Chicago, 7 (3); Alonzo Mourning, Miami, 7 (1); Shane Battier, Memphis, 6 (1); Gilbert Arenas, Washington, 4 (1); Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia, 4; P.J. Brown, New Orleans/Okla. City, 3; Manu Ginobili, San Antonio, 3; Dwight Howard, Orlando, 3; Josh Howard, Dallas, 3 (1); Brevin Knight, Charlotte, 3; Shaquille O’Neal, Miami, 3 (1); Elton Brand, L.A. Clippers, 2 (1); LeBron James, Cleveland, 2 (1); Tony Parker, San Antonio, 2 (1); Quinton Ross, L.A. Clippers, 2 (1); Allen Iverson, Philadelphia, 2; Eddie Jones, Memphis, 2; Jason Collins, New Jersey, 1; Boris Diaw, Phoenix, 1; Pau Gasol, Memphis, 1; Trenton Hassel, Minnesota, 1; Mike James, Toronto, 1; Richard Jefferson, New Jersey, 1; Ruben Patterson, Denver, 1; Chris Paul, New Orleans/Okla. City, 1; Jason Terry, Dallas, 1; Yao Ming, Houston, 1.

2005-06 NBA DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR RESULTS

Player, Team 1st 2nd 3rd Pts
Ben Wallace, Detroit 58 39 13 420
Bruce Bowen, San Antonio 38 33 19 308
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah 12 11 28 121
Ron Artest, Sacramento 6 7 14 65
Marcus Camby, Denver 3 9 13 55
Tim Duncan, San Antonio 3 7 6 42
Shawn Marion, Phoenix - 7 12 33
Alonzo Mourning, Miami 4 2 3 29
Gerald Wallace, Charlotte - 7 6 27
Shane Battier, Memphis - 1 - 3
Elton Brand, L.A. Clippers - 1 - 3
Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia - - 2 2
James Posey, Miami - - 1 1
Raja Bell, Phoenix - - 1 1
P.J. Brown, NOK - - 1 1
Rasheed Wallace, Detroit - - 1 1
Andres Nocioni, Chicago - - 1 1
Eddie Jones, Memphis - - 1 1
Kevin Garnett, Minnesota - - 1 1
Tayshaun Prince, Detroit - - 1 1

[Louis]

The Grizzlies were the best defensive team last year...

Thanks to Battier.

[Louis]

Where was San Antonio's Defense last year?

Nowhere to be found..

Bruce who?

[ambchang]

You are honestly saying that you think Battier is a better defender than Bowen?

What the ?

I understand the talk of Battier being a better "all around player" but better defender?

You are smoking crack.

Don't worry about this Louis guy Lori. S/he used to hang out on alt.sports.basketball.nba.sa-spurs forum, and make stupid predictions, just to get a reaction. Nobody knows if s/he is really a Rockets fan, but s/he does, for some strange reason, have an immense hatred for the Spurs.
It started way back in the late 90's.
We all thought that s/he will grow out of it, but apparently not.
BTW, his/her predictions about the Spurs got so ridiculous, s/he became known as the anti-prophet. S/he would avoid anti-prediciting the games the Spurs could actually lose, and kept coming in and making anti-predictions about suckass teams.
I still couldn't figure out his/her motivation, probably just need some attention.
BTW, his email used to be something about myballs.

[Kori Ellis]

The Grizzlies were the best defensive team last year...

Thanks to Battier.

How did you decide that? Just opponent's PPG?

What about FG% D or other factors?

[milkyway21]

Were was San Antonio's Defense last year?

Nowhere to be found..

Bruce who?

just check the season Defensive player of the Year list since Bruce joined the Spurs.

BTW, how come the tallest player in the NBA Yao Ming is not on the list of NBA's top rebounders and top shotblockers?

Is it okay for me to say he's "soft"?

[milkyway21]

SI.com - Battier Better Defender Than Bowen

NOT TRUE -according to Kobe Bryant

[Louis]

Don't worry about this Louis guy Lori. S/he used to hang out on alt.sports.basketball.nba.sa-spurs forum, and make stupid predictions, just to get a reaction. Nobody knows if s/he is really a Rockets fan, but s/he does, for some strange reason, have an immense hatred for the Spurs.
It started way back in the late 90's.
We all thought that s/he will grow out of it, but apparently not.
BTW, his/her predictions about the Spurs got so ridiculous, s/he became known as the anti-prophet. S/he would avoid anti-prediciting the games the Spurs could actually lose, and kept coming in and making anti-predictions about suckass teams.
I still couldn't figure out his/her motivation, probably just need some attention.
BTW, his email used to be something about myballs.

I don't know what are you talking about I don't post on usenet.

I'm not the only Louis in the world.

[Solid D]

This was all laughable to NBAniks, of course, because Bowen is past his prime at age 35, and Shane Battier was a better defender than Bruce last season (to say nothing of his superior skills in other areas).

I like Shane Battier as a defender but Bruce is still a better defender.

D-Wade was interviewed this summer (ESPN, I think) and he was asked who was the toughest defender on him and he said "Ron Artest or Bruce Bowen". Did anyone else see that interview? He also said that Artest and Bowen don't go for the fakes.

[Louis]

Artest is miles ahead of Bowen as well...both on defense and offense

[Solid D]

Artest is miles ahead of Bowen as well...both on defense and offense

Ron's a more physical defender but it's a proven fact, just hit him in the lip and he gets distracted and makes too many mistakes to lock anyone down.

Ron's not miles ahead of anyone...except maybe Matt Bonner or Kiwi Marks.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Battier>>>>>>Bowen

Nuff Said!

That's why DPOY was:

Bowen: 306
Battier: 6


Good ing call, dumbas..

[milkyway21]

Artest is miles ahead of Bowen as well...both on defense and offense

the debate is who is better between Bowen And Battier.

[Solid D]

Battier is a slightly better flopper, plus he has corn rows, even when he's bald.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Battier>>>>>>Bowen

Nuff Said!

Convince me he doesn't suck. Right now, I' just want to hear your logic on this one.

I really don't care that Battier gets more offensive touches, how many is he getting when he's on the court with Lebron, Wade, etc.?

[Obstructed_View]

I don't know what are you talking about I don't post on usenet.

I'm not the only Louis in the world.

You aren't the only completely stupid Rockettes homer Spur fan baiter named Louis in the world? Interesting. I'll believe it when you bring anything that isn't as weak as TMac's back.

[Obstructed_View]

The diffrence is that Battier can also contribute on the offensive end..

Bowen CAN'T

That's why he was cut.

Battier 10.1 ppg
Bowen 7.5 ppg

That's sensible, as there are only 11 guys on the team who averaged 15 or more points last year. The USA team is averaging 115 points per game, so that extra 2.6 points from Battier will put USA over the top against Germany or Argentina.

[RON ARTEST]

Ron's a more physical defender but it's a proven fact, just hit him in the lip and he gets distracted and makes too many mistakes to lock anyone down.

Ron's not miles ahead of anyone...except maybe Matt Bonner or Kiwi Marks.

what the are you talking about? artest is a better defender then bowen, not miles but he is better thats for damn sure. you can have your little argument about battier but artest is another conversation. bowen is old anyway.

[MarkCuban]

I beg to differ. Bowen's perimeter defense the last three or four years was at a Hall of Fame level. Is he HOFer? No. But without his defense on Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen, Shawn Marion, Rip Hamilton, Carmelo Anthony, and Chauncey Billups, the Spurs probably don't win two championships. He can guard Earl Boykins or Dirk Nowitzki.

Battier doesn't have the quickness to guard one on one players. He might be a better rebounder and post defender but he doesn't stick to guys like Bruce.

[Solid D]

Ron can be a shut-down defender...including shutting himself down.

[BUMP]

Ron can be a shut-down defender...including shutting himself down.

thats deep