Should the NBA allow players to play international ball?

[Ignorant Spurs fan]

im not sure what the deal is. just put Duncan on the team and they will never lose

[MaNuMaNiAc]

When Brazil goes to the World Cup and they don't win it all, it is a failure. Why? Because of the way the culture of the sport is within that particular country.

bull ! Yes Brasil would be dissapointed to not win the world cup, and so would the other 5 or so nations with very real chances of doing so. However, they would not consider a third place as embarrasing a failure as America seems to consider theirs. You see Brasil knows in the world of football there are a number of worthy opponents who can beat them any day of the week, just to name a few Germany, England, France, Netherlands, Italy, Argentina, etc...

You see Brasil is usually the best, they know this, but they are also willing to accept other teams are good enough to beat them, something you apparently are not willing to do. That's called ego.

[spurschick]

However, they would not consider a third place as embarrasing a failure as America seems to consider theirs.

America or the United States? I actually made a clarification in my original post. Most people, including myself, refer to the United States as America. In actuality, America includes North, Central and South, making all of the residents Americans.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

America or the United States? I actually made a clarification in my original post. Most people, including myself, refer to the United States as America. In actuality, America includes North, Central and South, making all of the residents Americans.

you're right, I usually make the distinction except when I'm talking to United Statians? Since I usually call people from the US americans, I just call the US America since most people understand what I mean. Anyway, its just semantics

[spurschick]

you're right, I usually make the distinction except when I'm talking to United Statians?

I love it! I am officially a United Statian!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I love it! I am officially a United Statian!

[Tim Duncan]

im not sure what the deal is. just put Duncan on the team and they will never lose

well thank you. i appreciate that comment. but that will never happen. Fiba sucks. i cant get the calls i normally do in the NBA

[mavs>spurs2]

well thank you. i appreciate that comment. but that will never happen. Fiba sucks. i cant get the calls i normally do in the NBA

Lmao gotta be a mav troll.....

[angel_luv]

well thank you. i appreciate that comment. but that will never happen. Fiba sucks. i cant get the calls i normally do in the NBA

laugh of the day- hehe

Welcome to the board " Tim"

[Tim Duncan]

laugh of the day- hehe

Welcome to the board " Tim"

Thank you. this is funny. im really active in the community, but it took me so long to find this board

[angel_luv]

Thank you. this is funny. im really active in the community, but it took me so long to find this board

You type like T-Park.

[bendmz]

figure this...... since the concept of "TEAM" basketball basiclly kicked our butt, why not just send the NBA Champs to the tournement... all the basics are there and we would not have to tolerate all the temper tantrums from the dumbass whiners.......... just a thought

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I am proud that the US medaled and I really don't understand why they think that anything less than Gold is a complete failure. Argentina didn't medal at all, but they're still proud with how they played in the tournament. I think that the mentality of US athletes in compe ions like this trickles down from the overall mentality of the country. If we're not completely kicking everyone's ass, we're failures. But that's a topic for the politcal forum.

That's what we are, capitalists. It's about being the best, not some mamby-pamby communist ideal where 9th place is acceptable.

Bronze isn't a failure. But in compe ions, if you have what it takes you go for the gold anything less is unacceptable. With our talented team this year, bronze might not be a failure, but it is a disappointment.

[MannyIsGod]

wow... still haven't learned I see. Its still "we lost, but we were the best and should have won" sort of thing huh? It couldn't have been that Greece played better as a TEAM... no, its we had more talent we should have won, anything else is failure. Yeah, that's a healthy way of looking at it

Healthy? WTF?

The United States team has the most talent by far out of any team in the world. It isnt' even close. Are you going to debate that with me? Given the amount of talent, I view anything less than 1st place as a failure.

I'm not saying Greece didn't play better as a team. I think that is pretty damn obvious. I am lamenting that fact.

I don't understand why it offends you that my expectations for my team based on their talent are so high.

[samikeyp]

figure this...... since the concept of "TEAM" basketball basiclly kicked our butt, why not just send the NBA Champs to the tournement... all the basics are there and we would not have to tolerate all the temper tantrums from the dumbass whiners.......... just a thought

The Spurs would be screwed with all the international players they have.

[MannyIsGod]

bull ! Yes Brasil would be dissapointed to not win the world cup, and so would the other 5 or so nations with very real chances of doing so. However, they would not consider a third place as embarrasing a failure as America seems to consider theirs. You see Brasil knows in the world of football there are a number of worthy opponents who can beat them any day of the week, just to name a few Germany, England, France, Netherlands, Italy, Argentina, etc...

You see Brasil is usually the best, they know this, but they are also willing to accept other teams are good enough to beat them, something you apparently are not willing to do. That's called ego.

Is that what its called?

I fully accept that Greece was a better team. However, if we do it right, no one can be a better team. Thats my point. When we do things right, no one can beat our team regardless of how far the rest of the world has come.

Ego? Yeah. But its also the truth.

[spurs=bling]

Lmao gotta be a mav troll.....

yeah look at the profile......

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Is that what its called?

I fully accept that Greece was a better team. However, if we do it right, no one can be a better team. Thats my point. When we do things right, no one can beat our team regardless of how far the rest of the world has come.

Ego? Yeah. But its also the truth.

well thats what its all about isn't it? doing things right. It doesn't matter how much talent you have if you don't have the sense to use it properly. This is a team sport, and in FIBA its usually the best team that wins. Obviously if the US started playing a better team oriented style of basketball they would win every game. The point is since this is a team sport and the better team wins, why do you keep bringing up talent?

by the way "if we do it right, no one can be a better team. Thats my point. When we do things right, no one can beat our team", that applies to every team, not just the US.

[dbestpro]

How about combining the eastern and western conference champions to form the USA team.

[V-2]

The US will be fine. They will add some 3pt shooters, make sure they have good FT shooters on the floor when it counts, learn to defend the pick 'n' roll better and that's about it. Next time around they will have to play to qualify which means the team will gel and peak at the right time. I am glad Greece achieved the unachievable, but these performances cannot be sustained no matter what your team is called Spain, Argentina, or Greece.

[MannyIsGod]

well thats what its all about isn't it? doing things right. It doesn't matter how much talent you have if you don't have the sense to use it properly. This is a team sport, and in FIBA its usually the best team that wins. Obviously if the US started playing a better team oriented style of basketball they would win every game. The point is since this is a team sport and the better team wins, why do you keep bringing up talent?

by the way "if we do it right, no one can be a better team. Thats my point. When we do things right, no one can beat our team", that applies to every team, not just the US.

Ok, read what you said and go ahead ask me again why I think 3rd is a failure?

And no, it doesn't apply to every team. No other team inthe world can field this much talent.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I don't understand why it offends you that my expectations for my team based on their talent are so high.

Look Manny, I'm not "offended" because you think that your team could do better, I'm "offended" because you think they aught to be always first. That tells me that you don't properly respect the talent and ability of other great international teams, and that my friend is one of the main reasons the US isn't dominating right now.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Ok, read what you said and go ahead ask me again why I think 3rd is a failure?

And no, it doesn't apply to every team. No other team inthe world can field this much talent.

I wrote it Manny, I know what it says, and taken out of context yes it does suit your argument, doesn't it? Seeing as you obviously are STUCK on pimping the US talent and not willing to concede a thing, I'll just add one more thing.

The US lacks the team play, international teams lack the talent right? well so far one is apparently more important than the other, and in a scenario where team play rules all, until the US decides to work on that, they shouldn't consider themselves so far above other teams. You can play with the hypotheticals all you want, that right there is the bottom line.

[MannyIsGod]

What do you want me to concede? I take nothing away from the teams that are obviously better teams than the United States team.

You need to go back and reread my first post in this thread. It a post doing nothing but being upset with the way our team is run and coached and has nothing to do with other teams in the world with the exception that I - and you for that matter - feel none of them have the individual talent the US does.

I'm obviously of the belief team play is important becuase it is what I want our program on. I don't get why you're even arguing with me.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

What do you want me to concede? I take nothing away from the teams that are obviously better teams than the United States team.

You need to go back and reread my first post in this thread. It a post doing nothing but being upset with the way our team is run and coached and has nothing to do with other teams in the world with the exception that I - and you for that matter - feel none of them have the individual talent the US does.

I'm obviously of the belief team play is important becuase it is what I want our program on. I don't get why you're even arguing with me.

its just that considering the cir stances, and the fact that the US team lacks experience and therefore proper team play basics, and furthermore that they are competeing in a tournament where team play is everything, I don't see how one could be that dissapointed in third place, see where I'm coming from? You're right in that the US got to where it got on talent alone practically, but since we both agree team play is paramount in FIBA, how can you be that dissapointed in a third place?