WTF? Intel's killing AMD for once

DarkReign · 09-14-2006

PC games > PS3 games ...

By a very long mile.

DarkReign · 09-14-2006

Intel's only plan for Vista's release is the Kentsfield, which is 2 core2 duos on one chip. That's not something I'm going to pay for, because no game is currently being written or planned for a 4 cpu system. That processor is going to be insanely expensive. AMD plans to go to a 65 nm process in December or January, but that's not going to make up the huge chasm in performance between the top of the line FX series and the far cheaper Core2 series. I've heard their new core won't come out until mid to late 2007.

Of course any system I build now will be smoked by a top of the line system in 9 months. You have to realize that any time you build a system.

I know that, but my point is with the new DX10 cards youre going to last alot longer with one than without. Not top-of-line obviously, but at some point, games are only going to be compatible with dx10 (like 9.0c now). Spending $600 now only to spend another $600 in a year seems frivilous to me.

It's because of DirectX10 that I'm considering only buying a single GeForce 7950x2, but I still want the board for qaud SLI so I can can easily upgrade it later. I don't want to wait 7-8 months minimum to have outstanding graphics performance.

Youve answered my question. Thank you. Waiting for new games has put a long streak of patience in my blood.

Vista will absolutely not be around a long time. Their most ambitious plan for it, WinFS, was put on hold 2 more years for their next OS.

This sentence blew me away. Could you please expand further?

ShoogarBear · 09-14-2006

The very first PC I ever bought , circa 1990, was 486-66 MHz (with a gigantic 100 MB hard drive) that some guy put together in his garage, because it was the only way to get the cutting edge stuff on a student budget.

Ever since that time I've bought corporate. Just out of curiosity, how would a custom box with the latest components go for these days?

dougp · 09-14-2006

WinFS, the new filesystem that will be replacing NTFS, has been put on hold and removed from the Vista product.

You can read into that however you want, personally I would say they're going to follow the NT phase set of keeping a standard per system, one for home based PCs (NTFS) and one for servers/workstations (WinFS.) Though I'm probably completely wrong, bb could probably tell ya more.

dougp · 09-14-2006

Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

The very first PC I ever bought , circa 1990, was 486-66 MHz (with a gigantic 100 MB hard drive) that some guy put together in his garage, because it was the only way to get the cutting edge stuff on a student budget.

Ever since that time I've bought corporate. Just out of curiosity, how would a custom box with the latest components go for these days?

Latest and greatest?

Proc - $1k
Mobo - $250-300
Vid Card - $500-600 x2
RAM - $300
HD - $300-400 (Solid State Disk or SATA Raptors)

Throw in monitor, case, cooling, etc. ... you're looking at a lot of money for the "latest" components.

ShoogarBear · 09-14-2006

So, in the neighborhood of $3-3.5K, plus whatever profit margin.

Way expensive by current standards, but before the big drop in prices a few years ago, that had been pretty much the same going rate for a cutting edge box.

TDMVPDPOY · 09-14-2006

ur better of not buyin the latest, but what fitz ur budget then overclock the sob.

dougp · 09-14-2006

Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

So, in the neighborhood of $3-3.5K, plus whatever profit margin.

Way expensive by current standards, but before the big drop in prices a few years ago, that had been pretty much the same going rate for a cutting edge box.

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leemajors · 09-14-2006

Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

So, in the neighborhood of $3-3.5K, plus whatever profit margin.

Way expensive by current standards, but before the big drop in prices a few years ago, that had been pretty much the same going rate for a cutting edge box.

you can still build a pretty damn good system for under 1k. may not be cutting edge, but you can still do whatever on it.

baseline bum · 09-14-2006

WinFS was supposed to be a filesystem that's a relational database, and was supposed to revolutionize desktop computing. It was supposed to get rid of explicit directory structure (at least through Windows main interface), and make browsing for file based on keywords through constant-time searches. It was the heart of Longhorn, and with it removed, Vista seems like Windows XP with a 3D interface and maybe better security. Certainly not something that's going to be worth the $300-$400 they'll probably charge for it.

NTFS is freaking crap. The filesystem gets so fragmented, and therefore you lose 15% of any par ion's capacity because of the need to constantly defrag it.

nkdlunch · 09-14-2006

Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

So, in the neighborhood of $3-3.5K, plus whatever profit margin.

Way expensive by current standards, but before the big drop in prices a few years ago, that had been pretty much the same going rate for a cutting edge box.

yes. but this 4K pc would kick the living out of 99% of brand pcs.

its kinda like how guys brag about their cars, nerds brag out their pcs.

but I do admit 3d games on that beast would be incredible

baseline bum · 09-14-2006

Originally Posted by enigma