Olbermann sums up 9/11

[George Gervin's Afro]

To with Olbermann and all you other chicken s!!

CHICKEN S= those who do not drink the kool aid

[Crookshanks]

Now there's a cogent argument.

There is no argument that will change people's minds. For instance, someone mentioned "Willie Horton." That is just liberal propaganda - the facts are quite different from how the libs have spun it over the years, but it's so entrenched in liberal talking points that no one even thinks to check the facts.

As evidenced over and over on this forum - certain people have their views and opinions and the other side is never going to change them. So, at some point, some of us get tired of responding to editorials such as this one. We don't believe what is written because we know the political agenda of the one writing it; however, nothing we say will ever change the mind of those on the opposite side - so why bother!

[boutons_]

"OBL accomplished more, advanced his goals more at the WTC than dubya has accomplished even his bull goals in Iraq."

As a show of OBL/terror strength, dedication, intelligence, cunning, discipline, understanding of the enemy's weaknesses, WTC attack was fantastically stunning in so many ways. It is right up there as a historical/military legendary success with the Trojan horse. Five years later, that WTC scar is still a gaping wound as NYC egomaniacs fight over $$$ and personal legacies, with no leadership or refereeing from the WH.

4 years after the US attacked Aghanistan, the al-Quaida and Taleban are resurging, the NATO commander is calling for more troops, the opium crop is through the roof, the warlords are re-installed in the provinces, and the Afghan government is barely effective even within Kabul.

So America is cowed and afraid and wimpering, frisking grannies at airports, the Repugs repeating "the terrorists will strike when, not if", the "terrorists can and will strike anywhere, anytime, anyplace", "America is safer, but not safe" Orwellianisms, if the incessant keep-Repugs-in-office scare-mongering is to be believed.

dubya said he went into Iraq for WMD. He totally ed that up. No WMD. No al-Quaida (not at invasion, but now, al Quaida is the de facto government in the Ramadi area. heckuva job! )

dubya was completely bluffed by Saddam, did not understand Saddam, and totally didn't understand the situation in Iraq ("slam dunk", "greeted with open arms as liberators", no insurgency or civil war foreseen or planned, totally underestimated the number of troops required, "the army you have", etc, etc)

The WTC attack immortalized OBL, made him appear stronger and more dangerous than he really is, while being a huge and effective jihad recruiting poster for millions of Muslims.

History will do ent that dubya in Iraq has made a humongously stupid and costly strategic blunder, right up there with VN, and French defeats at Waterloo and the Napolean's winter march into Russia. The limits of the US military stregth, along with the Israeli's similar limits recently, have been exposed, while terror flourishes.

Does anybody think OBL didn't know the Repugs and neo-cons had been talking about going into Iraq years before 2000? OBL's WTC attack invited dubya to take out a hated jihad foe in Iraq, while distracting the US military and attenton from OBL's jihad. Brilliant, absolutely ing brilliant.

In recruiting terms, dubya's Iraq has kept millions of American warriors in front of their TVs rather than enticing them into uniforms. The only way the military can meet its goals is by paying $40K signup bonus, raising the signup age to 42, and lowering the standards to scrape more from the bottom of the barrel. The US military has such a strong stomach for the Iraq war that the Army had to ins ute stop-loss orders and other service-lengthening tactics.

"much easier than setting up a democracy,"

yes, terror is easier. Setting up a stable and strong democracy in Iraq is being shown to be ing impossible, and that wasn't why dubya said in Feb 03 why he was invading Iraq.

OBL fought with what he had and accomplished a huge victory. dubya fought the wrong battle with the much more he had, and is bogged down in Iraq with no victory in sight. OBL is way ahead.

( btw, the hustle that was pulled on the Sunnis to back the Cons ution a year ago is coming undone. The Sunnis didn't want the federal par ioning of Iraq with local regional autonomy because they knew they would end up wtih oil-less Anbar, while the Shiites got the southern/eastern oil, and the Kurds got the northern oil. The Shiites/US hustle was that they would fix that after the Cons uion was approved. The Shiites are now refusing to fix it to the Sunnis' satisfaction. With the Shiite-Sunni slaughter in the streets, the civil war will probably manifest itself soon in a fatally divided, moot parliament. )

The last years have been, and the next years will continue to be, a critical juncture in US history, and in the world. To face this challenge, the Repugs and other sheeple have elected the most stupid, limited, uncreative, unvisionary, incompetent, ignorant chicken president and administration in US history.

But the Repugs got those tax cuts for the super-rich, so everything's cool.

[101A]

There is no argument that will change people's minds. For instance, someone mentioned "Willie Horton." That is just liberal propaganda - the facts are quite different from how the libs have spun it over the years, but it's so entrenched in liberal talking points that no one even thinks to check the facts.

As evidenced over and over on this forum - certain people have their views and opinions and the other side is never going to change them. So, at some point, some of us get tired of responding to editorials such as this one. We don't believe what is written because we know the political agenda of the one writing it; however, nothing we say will ever change the mind of those on the opposite side - so why bother!

My views have changed - as reality has, and I mentioned Willie Horton; I know intellectually it was not a divisive add - but popular culture has made it so; it was simply a prop, anyway, in a larger point I was trying to make - that dividing Americans against each other is not unique to this administration; although Olbermann seems to think it is.

[101A]

4 years after the US attacked Aghanistan, the al-Quaida and Taleban are resurging, the NATO commander is calling for more troops, the opium crop is through the roof, the warlords are re-installed in the provinces, and the Afghan government is barely effective even within Kabul.

TRUE

So America is cowed and afraid and wimpering, frisking grannies at airports, the Repugs repeating "the terrorists will strike when, not if", the "terrorists can and will strike anywhere, anytime, anyplace", "America is safer, but not safe" Orwellianisms, if the incessant keep-Repugs-in-office scare-mongering is to be believed.

TRUE

dubya said he went into Iraq for WMD. He totally ed that up. No WMD. No al-Quaida (not at invasion, but now, al Quaida is the de facto government in the Ramadi area. heckuva job!

TRUE

dubya was completely bluffed by Saddam, did not understand Saddam, and totally didn't understand the situation in Iraq ("slam dunk", "greeted with open arms as liberators", no insurgency or civil war foreseen or planned, totally underestimated the number of troops required, "the army you have", etc, etc)

TRUE

The WTC attack immortalized OBL, made him appear stronger and more dangerous than he really is, while being a huge and effective jihad recruiting poster for millions of Muslims.

TRUE

History will do ent that dubya in Iraq has made a humongously stupid and costly strategic blunder, right up there with VN, and French defeats at Waterloo and the Napolean's winter march into Russia. The limits of the US military stregth, along with the Israeli's similar limits recently, have been exposed, while terror flourishes.

We probably disagree with just how much terrorists are flourishing, but otherwise: TRUE

Does anybody think OBL didn't know the Repugs and neo-cons had been talking about going into Iraq years before 2000? OBL's WTC attack invited dubya to take out a hated jihad foe in Iraq, while distracting the US military and attenton from OBL's jihad. Brilliant, absolutely ing brilliant.

Might very well be TRUE

In recruiting terms, dubya's Iraq has kept millions of American warriors in front of their TVs rather than enticing them into uniforms. The only way the military can meet its goals is by paying $40K signup bonus, raising the signup age to 42, and lowering the standards to scrape more from the bottom of the barrel. The US military has such a strong stomach for the Iraq war that the Army had to ins ute stop-loss orders and other service-lengthening tactics.

Sounds TRUE

yes, terror is easier. Setting up a stable and strong democracy in Iraq is being shown to be ing impossible, and that wasn't why dubya said in Feb 03 why he was invading Iraq.

TRUE

OBL fought with what he had and accomplished a huge victory. dubya fought the wrong battle with the much more he had, and is bogged down in Iraq with no victory in sight. OBL is way ahead.

OBL is personally margianalized, but as far as winning hearts and minds in the Middle East ... TRUE

( btw, the hustle that was pulled on the Sunnis to back the Cons ution a year ago is coming undone. The Sunnis didn't want the federal par ioning of Iraq with local regional autonomy because they knew they would end up wtih oil-less Anbar, while the Shiites got the southern/eastern oil, and the Kurds got the northern oil. The Shiites/US hustle was that they would fix that after the Cons uion was approved. The Shiites are now refusing to fix it to the Sunnis' satisfaction. With the Shiite-Sunni slaughter in the streets, the civil war will probably manifest itself soon in a fatally divided, moot parliament. )

I'm not ready to grant this, but in 6 months it could be TRUE

The last years have been, and the next years will continue to be, a critical juncture in US history, and in the world. To face this challenge, the Repugs and other sheeple have elected the most stupid, limited, uncreative, unvisionary, incompetent, ignorant chicken president and administration in US history.

For arguments sake: TRUE

But the Repugs got those tax cuts for the super-rich, so everything's cool.

Every single American who pays income tax received a tax cut; since the "Super Rich" pay a disproportianate percentage of those taxes: TRUE

Now, Boutons, that I have ceded just about every one of your points - do you have anything whatsoever to add to the discussion? Any ideas about how to proceed? I can tell you right now every play Mack Brown SHOULDN'T have called last Saturday, but I don't really know what the to tell him to do this one.

You are a shrill bully. You offer no suggestions, and seldom add to any debate. You get involved in a thread, and your only purpose seems to be to sling mud and call names. Your act is tired. Please grow up.

[Crookshanks]

You are a shrill bully. You offer no suggestions, and seldom add to any debate. You get involved in a thread, and your only purpose seems to be to sling mud and call names. Your act is tired. Please grow up.

Well said! I couldn't agree more!! Boutons act has grown very old and tiresome - so much so that I usually just scroll through his posts and very rarely read anything he posts. You can only say " head", "shrub" and "repugs" so much - and it's WAAAY past so much!!!

[johnsmith]

Now, Boutons, that I have ceded just about every one of your points - do you have anything whatsoever to add to the discussion? Any ideas about how to proceed? I can tell you right now every play Mack Brown SHOULDN'T have called last Saturday, but I don't really know what the to tell him to do this one.

You are a shrill bully. You offer no suggestions, and seldom add to any debate. You get involved in a thread, and your only purpose seems to be to sling mud and call names. Your act is tired. Please grow up.

True

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

ow, Boutons, that I have ceded just about every one of your points - do you have anything whatsoever to add to the discussion? Any ideas about how to proceed? I can tell you right now every play Mack Brown SHOULDN'T have called last Saturday, but I don't really know what the to tell him to do this one.

You are a shrill bully. You offer no suggestions, and seldom add to any debate. You get involved in a thread, and your only purpose seems to be to sling mud and call names. Your act is tired. Please grow up.

True and true.

But give him a little bit of credit. He's damn good at Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V.

[johnsmith]

True and true.

But give him a little bit of credit. He's damn good at Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V.

True, some people go that whole route of right clicking and then clicking on the paste option, not Boutons though, he hot-keys the out of this board. He's always been so efficient.

[Sometimes I Do]

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[Mr. Peabody]

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Olbermann's been on a roll lately -- first taking it to Rummy and now the pres. He is getting mad love from the left because of this.

The man who sees absolutes, where all other men see nuances and shades of meaning, is either a prophet, or a quack.

Donald H. Rumsfeld is not a prophet.

[Yonivore]

If you're seeing shades of gray, you're just not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

[Mr. Peabody]

If you're seeing shades of gray, you're just not looking close enough to see the black and white dots.

[boutons_]

"do you have anything whatsoever to add to the discussion?"

my post did add to the discussion, compared with bull slung from the resident less twerp.

'Any ideas about how to proceed?"

Nothing original or new. all the ideas have been kicked around for years.

When the Dems gain control of the House, impeach dubya and head, recall the Medal of Freedom from Mr Slam Dunk and other undeserving incompetents.

The old, scorned -over-my-career Shinsheki idea of enough troops, like 400+K, as recommended again, today, by these smash-mouth, hard-right wingers:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091100879.html

If general Iraqi security cannot be assured, reconstruction and political progress is dead in the water, never mind a stable and strong democracy. "The army we have" per Rummy was never enough, the too-small army allowed the security situation to turn disastrously into a civil war, impeding fatally any other goals (reconstruction, popular Iraqi support and patience for the US occupation)