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^^^well said.
Just because Bowen gets away with alot of grabbing and holding doesn't make him a dirty player. I've never seen him intentionally try to hurt someone.
^^^well said.
you guys wouldnt have even said anything if bowens name wasnt mentioned and you know it, i agree rosen is a bad writer but you have to agree that bowen is a dirty player.
bowen is dirty.
I like the guy, but he is dirty.
I remember the kick to the back, the kick to the face, etc. That is dirty.
And Ron Artest ain't dirty, he just crazy.
yeah Artest is crazy but not dirty, i like bowen two and would love to have him on my team (backing up artest of course) so im not hating on him im just telling the truth.
I admit the Bowen does get away with calls and he can be considered dirty, but Charley Rosen is gay.
shees, even faux news sportswriters are full of . I guess it rolls downhill
I'm sorry but if you think Bowen is a dirty player you are just plain ing stupid, and should go watch another sport.
Certainly Bowen is a rough (physical) player, but to say he's dirty is just plain ignorant.
How can the leagues "dirtiest" player be the same guy that got no flagrant fouls, and isn't among the league leaders for total fouls, fouls per game, or fouls per forty eight minutes? I doubt he's even in the top fifty for any of those categories, the same goes for technical fouls, although that doesn't always coincide with being dirty, it can be an indicator depending on what the technical was assessed for.
Apparently you don't need to know anything about sports to be a sports writer, interesting...
Bowen is a dirty player I Agree with Rosen...
Bowen is a great guy:
.......but he is also dirty
Great, proud products of my alma mater, Cincinnati. That´s the Bob Huggins legacy for you:
1. Manufacturing NBA thugs
2. Flaming out in the 2nd round of the NCAAs
Thank God Mick Cronin is in and the days of thug ball should be over.
The only thing keeping Bowen from being classified as a dirty player is his Spurs jersey. If he played anywhere else, and slapped Manu on defense, people would scream for his head.
Juwan Howard is public enemy #1 for his hard foul on DA - but Howard doesn't have near the rep that Bowen does for pushing the limit.
I love Bowen, I'm glad he's on the team - but open your eyes. He's a dirty player. But, he gets away with what he does - so he'd be stupid not to do it.
That would be Rosen's blatant dislike for all things Spurs...
There's a difference between tough, aggressive, maybe bend the rules a bit defense, and dirty. "Dirty", to me, seeks to hurt or injure someone. Bowen does what 100% of NBA players do: grab, shove, handfight. What makes him better than most is the hours of game video he watches and breaks down that allows him to beat his man to a spot. If you can deny your man his favorite spot, the battle is half won already. Bruce probably knows every wing player in the league's favorite THREE spots, and he never quits. He'll race you from one, to another, to another. THAT'S why most players dislike him. He sells out on defense, gives his all.
Can't you see? The reason Bowen is still in the league at 35 (or 36?) years old with minimal offensive talent isn't because worked harder than everybody else to improve his defense year after year, it's simply because he's dirty. Teams love to pay dirty players with little to offer millions of $ a year so that they can just hang around, Team USA select dirty players to try out for their team because they want to intentionally hurt other players on the team during practices.
What a load of BS.
Are you talking about the same Juwan Howard who for his career has twice as many flagrant fouls, almost four times as many technicals, five times as many ejections, and almost twice as many player fouls as Bruce Bowen?
EDIT: And just for the record, I'd probably go with Danny Fortson, and if you can't distinguish between a guy like Fortson and a guy like Bowen, God help you...
Raja Bell has been trying to give Fortson a run for his money the past few years....
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pretty much same here as u guysSo you , Bowen and me are playing the same type of game.
i play with friends with lots of hard fouls, really physical and crazy compe ive for a bunch who onoly plays for fun and recreation
but noone out the 15-20 ppl doesnt mind or has anthying against it; we just watch out nobody gets hurt and everything is okay
Well, if that's your definition - then we agree. I don't think Bowen (nor any player) tries to intentionally injure another player. I just know Bowen slaps, and grabs, and holds, and does the little things that a lot of people consider dirty. That's where I say he's a 'dirty' player. And I enjoy the out of it."Dirty", to me, seeks to hurt or injure someone. Bowen does what 100% of NBA players do: grab, shove, handfight.
I just think if he was on another team, people would hate him for the things he does to Manu.
Raja Bell on Kobe in the playoffs. Danny Fortson almost any game. Karl Malone on Isaiah Thomas when he torched his butt-buddy Stockton for a ton of points after his Dream Team snub. There ARE cheap shot artists out there, and Bowen isn't one of them. They're the ones I consider dirty.I don't think Bowen (nor any player) tries to intentionally injure another player.
Bowen isn't dirty. He is just irritating. There's a big difference.
I disagree strongly, he is not dirty. Does he try to hurt players on purpose and play mean-spirited? no. Look at him off the court, he's one very classy guy.
Agreed. It just depends on how people define dirty - if they think it means pushing, grabbing, elbowing, holding, getting in the way and otherwise pissing his assignment off, then yeah he's dirty.
Personally I think dirty means the malicious Malone and Laimbeer used to pull, and Bruce clearly isn't dirty in that regard.
I don't consider Bowen dirty. As others have mentioned he has no desire to hurt anyone.
He just pushes the envelope of what you are allowed to do. He's feisty, aggressive and has no quit. He pisses people off by always being in their face and slapping at them.
He's only doing what the officials allow him to get away with ... just like every other single player in the league.
I do agree with one point someone else made ... if he was on another team, most of you would not love him or his skills any where near as much as you currently do. Your point of view would be very different, and you'd find yourself cussing him out everytime he played against you.
My question is, if you say it's not Bowen, then who would you say is the dirtiest player currently in the league?
What's weird to me is that Rosen sets these guidelines ..
To me, if you use those guidelines, then Bowen is only "rough" and not "dirty". He's never even come close to inflicting a career-threatening injury on anyone. (Vince Vagina's ankle sprain doesn't count.)A distinction must be made between players who are rough and those who are downright dirty. Although those in the former category play physical, rock-'em-sock-'em basketball, they do so within the boundaries of certain accepted techniques having to do with appropriate placements for aggressive elbows, hip bumps and forearm thumps, plus the execution of deliberate fouls that are not career-threatening, and so on.
Players who are considered to be dirty, however, routinely overstep these boundaries and are more concerned with winning than with the possibility of their tactics inflicting serious injuries on their opponents.
I think Bowen is definitely crafty, rough, tricky, etc. I think he pushes, pulls, elbows, etc. and that might define "dirty" by someone else. But Rosen laid out his own definition and then incorrectly (in my opinion) put Bowen in that category.
If Bowen is as dirty as some people believe, why doesn't he get called for fouls more often? Is he bribing the officials every season to look the other way? You'd think if he had the reputation of being dirty, that officials would keep a closer eye on him. Bowen is a great defender, not a "dirty" player.
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