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there's only regional support for this bill, not national. I don't think it has a chance of passing. Most republicans are with you on this one.
In the end this bill has very little to do with children or morality and everything to do with election year politics.
there's only regional support for this bill, not national. I don't think it has a chance of passing. Most republicans are with you on this one.
You're way off man. Republicans are the ones PUSHING this bill. They were the driving force for it in the House, they are the driving force for it in the Senate, and the republican President will sign it faster than your aces can get cracked.
Frist has made some big changes to the rider and is trying to attatch it to the ing DoDA bill once again. It looks like he has a really good chance. What is unknown is how much he changed the bill, but it looks like huge portions of it were taken out including any mention of a having ISP's block the gambling sites.
The saga continues, according to Congress Daily PM, but not in a good way. These a$$holes sure are determined:
JUDICIARY
Frist Making Last-Minute Bid To Block Online Gambling
Senate Majority Leader Frist's bid to attach a rider to the defense authorization bill that would crack down on online gambling has picked up momentum after it was thought to be written off earlier this week. "We are working and pushing and trying and hoping and negotiating -- but it's not done yet," said a top Frist aide, who declined to detail negotiations.
Gambling industry lobbyists have stepped up their presence, especially aiming to persuade the chairmen and ranking members of the House and Senate Armed Services committees to jettison the provision as they attempt to file the conference report as early as Monday. "The question is whether the authorizers get enough grief over this that they force the [House and Senate] leaders to move off," said one top lobbyist. "Time is a major factor now. They have to file soon." The House in July passed, 317-93, a comprehensive measure to ban most forms of online gambling. Lobbyists said they feel the issue is primarily being driven by Frist's bid to court conservative Christians who play a critical role in the GOP presidential nominating process and for whom the online gambling ban is a top legislative priority.
Frist is pushing a truncated version of the House bill that essentially would bar banks and credit card companies from processing payments for online bets and make it a crime for a gambling business to accept credit cards, wire transfers or any other bank instrument to process payments for illegal gaming transactions. But, according to lobbyists, Frist was able to pick up key Senate support after including a carve-out for the politically powerful horse racing industry, which has supporters such as Majority Whip McConnell. House leaders appear inclined to go along with Frist, according to lobbyists, even though his rider does not include House language sponsored by Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., that would amend the 1961 Wire Act to prohibit businesses from using all forms of new technology to accept bets over state and foreign lines. Goodlatte had strenuously fought to include changes to the Wire Act in the House bill, but that language has been considered too contentious to take up in the Senate. A top aide for Speaker Hastert said he was on board with Frist's bid. One lobbyist was even more direct: "Hastert's rolling Goodlatte." Goodlatte's office did not respond for comment.
One key question is the influence of the American Gaming Association, especially AGA President Frank Fahrenkopf Jr., a former chairman of the Republican National Committee. The AGA is calling for a commission to study the online gambling industry, including whether the United States should regulate and tax the industry rather than enacting a complete ban. It also counts Senate Minority Leader Reid as an ally. "I favor a ban. I don't like it. But failing that, I would certainly go along with a study," Reid said Thursday. Lobbyists said Native American tribes with gaming interests also are contacting lawmakers. Sen.
Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., a gambling opponent, said Thursday he thought that his side would eventually succeed even if the rider was not included on the defense authorization bill, but possibly another piece of legislation before the end of the year. "We will find a way to get legislation on online gambling this year," said Kyl, who faces a tough re-election bid. "Some gambling interests oppose what we are trying to do, but I am confident that we have a way to get it done." -- by Bill Swindell
Well, it apperas as though the defense bill will not contain the language because it appears as though Frist is sticking it in the Port Security bill instead. Reports are unclear on whether or not its in there, but we should know later today whether or not I may have to actually find work once again in the near future.
Well, the internet gambling language is in the Port Security bill and it appears as though the House will pass it. The Senate is also likely to pass it.
This sucks very very badly.
Well, its really all unkown right now, but it will almost certainly effect everyone. Whatever level you play, if you are a pro you require fish to move up who have run well at the lower levels. The higher you move, the more this is true.
If I'm playing 400NL, then I basicaly want players that suck to run really hot at 1-2 NL or lower and end up moving up when they shouldn't. Otherwise I'm just playing against other 2-4 pros or semi pros.
You see, I'm not in danger of losing my bankroll or the ability to play. The US isn't going to block these sites and I'm still going to be able to move money out. But moving money in may become much harder, and if that happens then we'll definetly see a reduction in the number of new players. New players provide the money that I win, and without them it will be much harder to make the kind of money I'm making now. There will stil be new players from Europe, but the United States market is what really drives things. There are a lot of people in their early 20s who may see huge earnings just go away.
I'm trying to remain somewhat optomistic that the bill won't harm things that much, but I'm truely worried.
Party and Pacific Poker are banning American players. Party banning Americans is a sort of the 666 of the poker world. It means the end is near.
Pacific doesn't really matter in the long run, but Party is huge.
There are are rumors that PokerStars is going to do the same, but Lee Jones says they haven't decided a thing.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...64&page=0&vc=1
Anyone want to give me a job?
Party and Pacific Poker are banning American players. Party banning Americans is a sort of the 666 of the poker world. It means the end is near.
Pacific doesn't really matter in the long run, but Party is huge.
There are are rumors that PokerStars is going to do the same, but Lee Jones says they haven't decided a thing.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...64&page=0&vc=1
Anyone want to give me a job?
This is so ing gay. I went to betonsports.com yesterday to try and start a new glorious NFL season-o-gambling and they were closed for business. Am I once again going to be forced to go through a bookie? You know what's funny, the government steps into regulate this and now I'm clearly going to be in more danger going through a shady bookie rather then out of the comfort of my own home. If I ever meet the congressmen that started this bull , I'm going to punch all of them in the nuts and say thanks for looking out for our best interests you .
I may start drinking before 9am.
Why would that be any different from any other day?
Because of this gotdamned, mother ing BULL I will likely lose my biggest client this week. It is only a matter of time and I have a feeling the hammer will drop sooner than later. Anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of my income each month comes from this client, so a big YOU to Frist and everyone who supported this.
I might have to run to the store and start drinking this morning, too.
I've literally come close to puking this morning. I'm following the news as close as I can, but it seems something breaks every few minutes and its usually bad.Because of this gotdamned, mother ing BULL I will likely lose my biggest client this week. It is only a matter of time and I have a feeling the hammer will drop sooner than later. Anywhere from 1/3 to 1/2 of my income each month comes from this client, so a big YOU to Frist and everyone who supported this.
I might have to run to the store and start drinking this morning, too.
I don't know man, I found a way to make more money that I'll probably make with any other job. It was going to pay for me to finish school and establish me pretty well as far as my finances go. This mother er was going to be debt free.
It was a nice dream.
Yeah, it's much more worrisome for you, Manny. I still have other clients to fall back on, so I can't pretend to know what you are going through. But I certainly sympathize, seeing as how my bread and butter is going away soon. I just keep waiting for the e-mail telling me to login for a conference call. The anticipation is making me ill.
Eh, losing that much of your monthly income is a blow anyway you slice it Mel. Neither of us is going to come out of this smelling like roses, thats for sure. In the end, I knew this was a risk. I knew it could happen. I never believed it would come to this, but I guess I should never underestimate the political power derived from combining presidential asperations with the push of the Christian Right Wing asshats.
Its so ed how much power that group weilds in this country.
This is one big steaming pile of bull .
Once people start trying to login to their accounts, I wonder if the backlash will begin or if people will just say 'oh well' and login to their free account.
You what really ing kills me? The carveouts the made for lotteries and Horse racing!!!! So, poker is wrong but betting on the ing ponies isn't? Which takes skill, poker or the lottery?
There's already WTO litigation facing the US on this subject and this is goig to spur more. Free Trade .................................................. .......when it suits us.
I dno't know man, part of me still doesn't think the US can stop it. I just wasn't prepared to wake up to news of the biggest company just rolling over to die.
Several of the smaller sites have said they're not going anywhere. I know the TruePoker.com CEO was on 2p2 today saying his site wasn't going to stop, and the WPEX Ceo did the same yesterday. Lee Jones who runs PokerStars has said they haven't made a decision yet, but that would be a HUGE boost if they decide to stay. They're a huge room, but I just don't know.
All of the stocks took huge hits today. Neteller took a 70+% dive today from what I read. I haven't actually seen the reports, but that wouldnt' suprise me.
But well, I can still play the lottery online. Thats not illegal.
Washington, D.C.:
Office of Senator Bill Frist
509 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
202-224-3344
202-228-1264 (fax)
Nashville:
Office of Senator Bill Frist
28 White Bridge Road
Suite 211
Nashville, TN 37205
615-352-9411
615-352-9985 (fax)
This is kinda ed up... But I admit it did make me feel better.
Yeah, I guess we could call except that might be about as usefull as calling Dubya to talk him out of staying in Iraq.
There were numerous grassroots campaigns that involved calling the out of congress in the past 3 weeks and they worked. But when Frist tacked it onto the Port Security bill, no one was going to vote against that to save online gaming. I can't say I blame them either.
I was just looking for that picture. Thanks.This is kinda ed up... But I admit it did make me feel better.
I was thinking a nice steady flow of faxes would be nice.
I can hook you up with a room in my aunties house in sydney.
I'm just going to follow in Richard Lee's footsteps and become rich by being a local bookie. But I'm going to bust out of here before they catch me.
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