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This list sucks? Iverson at number 2? Arenas at 4? Bibby at 9?
Kidd hasn't been the same last couple years. He is the best pure PG today, but he just hasn't played that well lately.
Arenas, Starbury, AI, Bibby - all these guys are #1 options, if not flat out SG. Not saying that a PG can't be your best player, but a true PG makes everyone else on the floor better. That something these 4 people do NOT do.
I do not agree that Nash is one of the best PG of all time. I do not agree that he should be a 2-time MVP. The fact remains, however, that he is the best floor general out there today.
Billups has had the luxury of the most loaded team in the NBA past few years. Doesn't take away from his ability, but is a much safer bet to play well in that sort of situation.
Paul was amazing last year - but it is still just one year. Let's see if he can do it again.
TP is a great floor leader, but again, he had one amazing stat year. Let's see if he can put up those #s again.
1. Nash
2. Kidd
3. Billups
4. TP
5. Paul
The rest I count as SGs, and I don't count the alien, I mean Cassell.
This list sucks? Iverson at number 2? Arenas at 4? Bibby at 9?
When it comes to the playoffs, Parker shouldn't even be ranked top 10. He's no good at the Spurs-Mavs series last year. Isnt AI an SG?
good list
I agree with that list
Arenas would have almost singlehandedly beaten Lebronze's cavs last playoffs if not for the refs. Kidd is way,way over the hill, of course Parker >>> Kidd at this point.
And Nash is THE BEST PG no contest.
Baron Davis doesn't even belong on the list. Guy has talent, but has underachieved for every team he's ever played for, because he's been either out of shape or unmotivated, or both.
I'd rank Chauncey above everyone, personally, but definitely at #2, just behind Nash, at the very least.
Other than that, I think the rankings are pretty solid.
MVP awards aren't for career stats or someone's place in history of the game--they reflect a player's contribution to his team's success in that particular year.
If Nash is considered one of the 'Top Guards of all Time' at some point, the two MVPs will be arguing points for his supporters at Number 1. But he'll have to compete with guards who won championships for their talking points.
Steve Nash is so bad at defense it's sickening. Gibert Arenas is all jumpers (it's a of a jumpshot but still).
Steve Nash is in the perfect style that fits him. He'd be exposed on a team that depended more on their defense.
u cant even make a list of poitn guards anymore...mostly every "point guard" is a combo guard...there are seriously only about 5 pure point guards in the league nowadays...star point guards that is
Parker plays like an SG as well I would say... I wish we could just get a pure point guard.
I wish folks would stop referring to Areans as a PG. He is a ball-hogging SG and one exceptional scoring machine.
People seem to forget that this list is ranking to best POINT GUARDS, not best guards, or best players, or players most likely to win.
Allen Iverson belongs on the list because he transitioned a season or two ago and now playes PG, and plays it pretty damn well.
Jason Terry doesn't belong on the list, because he's not really a PG and rarely plays like one. He's rarely out there calling the game or setting up plays. He's not really bright enough to be a true PG.
Steve Nash doesn't play D, but that's not really a requirement of a PG, and a PG more than any other postion can get away with weaker D. Parker plays the weakest D of any of our starters, but it's OK, because that's not what he'd there for.
Of the players who set the plays and find the open guys, the top playmakers in the NBA are, IMO:
1. Chauncey Billups
2. Steve Nash
3. Allen Iverson
4. Tony Parker
5. Jason Kidd
6. Mike Bibby
7. Sam Cassell
Nash is the best pg in the league hands down. I would put Billups at 2nd place because he is not nearly as good as making his teamates better as Nash is. Plus Nash led his team to the WCF without any bigmen which says alot. If you put replace Nash with Billups on last years Suns team they would not of finished anywhere near a top 4 record in the league.
For those Arenas haters, you obviously have not seen him play much. He is not much more of a ballhog than Parker. He penetrates and gets to the line as much as anybody. He also has the green light from his coach to do whatever the he wants on the court. also how do you explain the monster years that jamison and Butler had last year?
Jameson and Butler are Very underrated players...
They ALWAYS have good years, they just arn't franchise players.
Arenas can score. His passing is medeocre, at best. His basketball IQ is about as low as Iversons'. That is low. I don't like unintelegent players. He doesn't play D. I don't like players who don't play D. He does play with heart, as I think his WBC tryouts proved, but that isn't enough.
to be a starting PG in the NBA you have to have high bball IQ, so its can't be that low. gimme a break
then you must not like PGs cause none of those in the top 5 list besides Billups and maybe Kidd plays better DHe doesn't play D. I don't like players who don't play D. He does play with heart, as I think his WBC tryouts proved, but that isn't enough
Um, I doubt anyone of you has seen more of Arenas than I have.
And if I were Ernie Grunfeld, I couldn't get rid of him fast enough.
You are just flat out wrong here. He and Iverson make mental mistakes to spare. Gilbert has absolutly no ability to visualize the whole basketball game, and to know what you need to do in a given situation. Might I point out the Cavs/Wiz series, where Gilbert didn't even have a concept of how much time was on the clock, or how many time-outs he had left. That was just 1 example. Mental errors such as double dribbling are also signs of low b-ball IQ.
Yep. You are correct. I think Nash is a monster on O (I bet Big Ben would average a healthy double double if they were paired), but I am not sure I would ever want him on my team without having 4 other guys on the floor to cover his ass on D. Actualy, Billups doesn't play much D either... he just plays better D than most other PGs. His weaknesses will be more visible now that Big Ben is gone. The only good defender on that list is J-Kidd, and his body is betraying him.
If there is Iverson, where is Kobe than? Playing on Pg doesn't really mean that player is PG. My selection:
1. Nash
2. Billups
3. Paul
4. Parker
5. Davis
6. Kidd
7. Casell
8. Bibby
9. Arenas
10. Felton
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