Don't forget they do a damn good job of selling Christmas
cards every year for UNICEF. Of course most of them are
non-christian. Oh, by the way. did anyone notice that
two of the heads of state that spoke yesterday and today said prayers while
speaking. One even crossed himself. And neither was Bush. Hmmmmm, is that
legal according to OUR courts? And some on this
board.
WTF does being christian have anything to do with what we're talking about here? and HTF do YOUR courts have any saying in other countries' representative's religion?? are you on something?
yes, I'm sure they are the only hypocrite politicians you've ever heard of huh?
The part the US should take notice is the clapping and the cheering by other UN members [at Hugo Chavez' speech] --Smeagol
A direct result of 6 years of failed Bush foreign policy.
Bush's short sighted policies are having an effect I predicted, and this effect will only get worse over time, until someone with a better understanding of the world takes the oval office.
People and governments who don't actively support terrorism, will be inclined less and less to actively help us root out those who would do us harm.
I am not talking about official policy to tacitly help terrorists. But rather the actions of individuals who don't like us to not check passports as closely, or to allow overt access to our law enforcement officials. Individuals who slowly over time gain a more and more negative view of our country will do less and less to help us.
Collectively that adds up to a lot more freedom of action for Al Qaeda to operate.
In this, Bush has made us less secure by his actions, and will continue to make us less secure as time goes by.
Those who think that Iraq is "giving the terrorists a platform" to attack troops instead of attacking us here, are partially right. It IS giving them a platform, and a highly visible one, from which to "prove" that they are right about us. The true impact of the bad PR will be felt long down the road.
When that time comes, as it I know it will, the culpability will be DIRECTLY attributable to the Bush presidency.
Write on, RandomGuy!
If you don't think our actions have compelled people to embrace terror, then your simply jaded.
My point exactly.
Beyond even the few who actively take up the cause, you have the MUCH larger numbner who tacitly support by simple inaction.
It reminds me of the saying:
"All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to stand by and do nothing."
also reminds me of when I was at the dentist this morning. I was thinking about some deep stuff and I was like dipping in and out of consciousness and I came out with this: peace is not appeasing people or running from your problems or burying your head in the sand. it is being strong and clear in what you stand for and then negotiating with people until you reach common ground and then build upon that ground. AND that you can resolve conflict such as Jesus christ did, OR you can create conflict, such as jesus once did, because conflict can be a good thing for a group of people or a nation, sometimes. The important thing to remember is that you must THINK before you talk with other nations, and you must know the people of with you negotiate.
I also managed to come out with this:
Well, if you believe in the big bang, this can apply to you. the big bang happend, right so some believe. Well, every action has an equal and opposite reaction, right?? well, if you think about it, what was the action that caused these objects to collide and make the universe? how could it have happened without the presence of a god to make those particular two items to collide? therefore almost proving god.
AND, so the universe has and is made out of energy, right?? and humans are energy as well right? so in that idea, then we don't die, we just turn to another form of energy, right??
Yes, there is a God. He created everything, including the UN. He also created the sentence that I just wrote.
he also created the meatloaf I ate last night.
I think the UN should go, but it's not because of their petty hate of Bush.
Off the top of my head:
1. Hypocrits about policing the world - see Rwanda massacres, what's going on in Africa today.
2. Their movement to rid the world of fire arms (yes folks, they want to do away with our right to bear arms).
3. They have no backbone to enforce their resolutions. Looked the other way with Iraq, Iran is in defiance of a UN resolution but they let Ahmedinidumbass speak?
4. Food for Oil. The greatest embezzlement of humanitarian funds in world history, all with the knowledge and involvement of the president of the UN
5. Several of the members of the UN Human Rights Committee are in violation of.... UN human rights resolutions. Talk about the inmates running the asylum.
6. Israel - Palestine. If the sitting members of the UN had their way about things, Israel would be gone and Palestine would be in its place.
And finally, I resent the out of the fact that when they need help, they put out their hands and ask for money and manpower from the US, but the moment we ask for help (after 9/11), few want to help out.
The UN had its purpose in the immediacy of WWII, but is basically a paper tiger in today's world.
NATO is much more relevant and dependable, and it's a joke how much we spend on the UN every year relative to what we get back out of it.
[quote = RandomDemo]People and governments who don't actively support terrorism, will be inclined less and less to actively help us root out those who would do us harm.[/quote]
It's not because of what Bush did. It's because people sat and watched things like the Madrid train bombings and London subway attacks and realized that if they stand beside us, they get attacked. If they stay out of the way, the terrorists leave them alone... for now.
The sad thing is they don't see the Islamists moving into Europe and taking over their countries, slowly, methodically, to the point where any slight ruffling of Muslim feathers results in stuff like Van Gogh getting his throat slashed, the riots in France last year, etc.
History will show that Bush and his administration actually saw the forecoming problem with radical Islam and tried to do something about it, but no one else was interested.
Unfortunately that decision is going to mean your generation, my generation, our children, etc. will bear the price (with pocketbooks and our lives) for that lack of action.
"radical Islam and tried to do something about it"
There were no radical Islamists in Saddam's secular Iraq.
Not only was "do something about it" Iraq the wrong target, dubya "did" Iraq extremely poorly, ensuring the failure that we see now.
dubya/ heads/rummy's Iraq disaster will kill more US military than OBL killed people at WTC. And will costs the USA $1T, for NO benefits.
But you rabble and sheeple keep sucking dubya and his accomplices.
FWIW, a poll taken on Fox's website asked posed the question;
"Should the U.S. stop funding the United Nations"?
Yes - 84,889 Total of 94%
No - 4,346 Total of 5%
The rest unsure.
http://www.foxnews.com/studiob/
Not much.FWIW
Thank God, because anybody who thinks the UN should go simply because an idiotic man insulted W and some clowns cheered, he/she should have their head examined.
In any case, as I said before, Americans should try to understand the reasons why Bush was bashed.
No hipocricy in the US' foriegn policy
Uuhhhh! How terrible!!!
Agreed3. They have no backbone to enforce their resolutions. Looked the other way with Iraq, Iran is in defiance of a UN resolution but they let Ahmedinidumbass speak?
And there is no corruption in the US government. Gimme a ing break.
Agreed.
BS poll.
Some other Fox News polls:
"Should CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer be authorized to torture Gitmo prisoners?"
Yes - 84,889 Total of 94%
No - 4,346 Total of 5%
The rest unsure."When the U.S. invades Iran, should nuclear strikes be limited to Iranian military sites?"
Yes - 84,889 Total of 5%
No - 4,346 Total of 94%
The rest unsure....I kid FOX news."Should President Bush suspend elections and declare martial law indefinitely until all terrorism in the world has been wiped out?"
Yes - 84,889 Total of 94%
No - 4,346 Total of 5%
The rest unsure.
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Signed, the Shi'ites and Kurds who were massacred by a Sunni-led Ba'athist party under Saddam.
Damn you're stupid boutons.
smeagol, one of the tenants of the Cons ution of the United States is the right to bear arms.Uuhhhh! How terrible!!!
Will all due respect, anyone who wants to do away with that right can kiss my ass, and the day the UN tries to override one of the fundamental aspects of our Bill of Rights they can go themselves.
There's corruption in every government. I guess we should all just lie back and take it while they screw the common man?And there is no corruption in the US government. Gimme a ing break.
And on this I'll agree with you, Clinton stood by and fired some cruise missiles in Afghanistan while hundreds of thousands were massacred. Bush has let some of this stuff slide on his watch too and that's unforgiveable.No hipocricy in the US' foriegn policy
The obvious answer to the question that is the subject line of this thread is, "yes."
The United States of America gains absolutely nothing from the organization. In fact, we devote way too many resources to the outfit only to have the honor of watching tinhorn dictators come from around the world to bash our country.
Let them move it to Venezuela, we'll turn in our membership card.
Let's just say I'm laughing AT you.
"even after it was revealed in 1951 that the UN, using our own soldiers under UN command and the UN flag, in collusion with our traitorous state department and the pentagon, had been invading many small towns in california and texas in order to perfect their plan for the complete takeover of our country, most people brushed it off and continued to believe that the UN is the holy of holies.
the question of how and why the united nations is the crux of the great conspiracy to destroy the soveirgnty of the United States and the enslavement of the american people within a one world dictatorship is a complete and unkown mystery to the vast majority of the american people.
the reason for this unawareness to the frightening danger to our country and to the entire free world is that the masterminds behind this great conspiracy have complete and total control of mass communications media - especially television, the radio, the press, and hollywood. we all know that our state department, the pentagon, the white house brazenly proclaim that they have the right and the power to manage the news - to tell us not the truth, but what they want us to believe. they have seized that power on the supported borders from their masters in the great conspiracy. and the objective is to brainwash the people into accepting the phony peace state and transform the united states into a enslaved unit of the united nations one world government. first of all, bear in mind that the so called UN police action in korea, supported by the US, in which 150,000 of our sons were murdered and maimed, was part of the plot, just as the undeclared by congress war in vietnam, in which our sons are dying is also part of the plot. just as conspiracy against rhodesia in south africa, in which our sons will be dying, is part of the plot. however, the vitally important thing for all americans, all you mothers to know, is that our so called leaders in washington, who we elected to defend the cons uion, are the betrayers."
sorry i had to transcribe that, it was a very long sample in a DXT song. but regardless, the progression of conspiracy theories in the last few decades is interesting. first the UN was taking over the US with the government's consent, now the UN is the puppet of the US.
Aggie, many Americans want to control and regulate the use of guns.
The Cons ution was written 200 years ago, different reality.
The fact that any moron has the "right" to bear arms, is scary.
We do not discriminate against morons in our Country.
In the big picture the U.N. is not a major player. In and of itself it doesn't pose a threat to the U.S. It's the individual Countries with Nuclear capabilities and philosophically unstable leaders (I'll mention that some believe Bush falls into this category and save some of you from having to submit a post) that pose a threat to the entire free world.
Add to that threat the multiplied millions of proactive people who share the philosophy of these leaders and the threat of annihilation becomes Global. No one in any Country is safe, including the citizens that populate the Nations of those that were cheering and applauding Hugo's maniacal rant.
Watch out folks, Armageddon may be right around the corner.
I think it speaks more of our commitment to our ideals. Not that I agree with anything said, but the fact that we are big enough to let it be said, takes no small amount of wind out of Chavez's remarks.
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