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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    It is really no big deal. Yonivore and others can be happy all they want for the have valid points.
    It didn't succeed but there will still be progressive radio shows. Rush and conservative radio wasn't created overnight.
    But more progressives have open minds and listen to conservative radio and that helps also. Heck, I listen to Rush, that Ingram woman, insHannity just for the laughs.

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    Air America just wasn't entertaining enough. I tried listening, but the programming wasn't that good. I am fairly liberal, but I will listen to Rush over Franken without giving it a second thought.

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    I don't mind Franken. Stephanie Miller is good and so are others but I'd have to agree, it has to be entertaining.
    Rush and Sean just crack me up.

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    They need to throw all of their money (well, pretending they have any) at Jon Stewart. Give him a live show during AM Drive and replay it during PM Drive.

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    They need to throw all of their money (well, pretending they have any) at Jon Stewart. Give him a live show during AM Drive and replay it during PM Drive.

    You know, I find myself leaning far closer to the conservative side rather then the liberal side (although I dislike both), but I would listen to anything Jon Stewart puts out. He's the funniest mother er on TV.

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    I don't really like Stewart anymore (I preferred him in the 90's when he was funny instead of smarmy) but I do think it would be a successful show because he's popular across party lines.

    I guess he'd first have to come out of the closet as a Liberal.

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    There's gotta be a Mastercard commercial in here somewhere. Aw, screw it, this is just priceless.


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    Liberal Air Ameriscam sucked. It was all about hating the administration. That doesn't sell.
    That *must* explain the rise of conservative talk radio during the mid-to-late 90's. Principled and entirely rational disagreements with the sitting administration without any hatred or venom. That *must* be it.

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    Radio conglomerates like CCC paid big bucks in air-time and advertising before wing-nut radio, even Insannity and Limpballs, finally took off, but they aren't willing to make those sacrafices for Progressive radio.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    In this sense there is nothing wrong with failure.
    But I do like Jessica' Hooters, you conservative sinner.

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    Radio conglomerates like CCC paid big bucks in air-time and advertising before wing-nut radio, even Insannity and Limpballs, finally took off, but they aren't willing to make those sacrafices for Progressive radio.
    Well, and if you believe in free market economics in any real sense, I think you have to say that's their decision to make. The conservative mouthpieces made themselves invaluable to media conglomerates by strident and universal hatred of the Clinton White House. In a drive-by world, people (even those who might not agree with the talking heads) stop to listen because it creates conflict, which seems to drive viewership/listenership. They did it so well that now they really can't be displaced, even if popular political sentiment might suggest an audience for something different.

    A poor but recent example is the overtly-hostile interview between two NYC sports-radio hosts and Cory Lidle two days before Lidle died -- there's no rational explanation (other than pandering to an audience) to explain why Francesa and Russo were so absurdly hostile to Lidle; the same thing occurs with political talk, where the point is rarely about actually discussing an issue and more frequently about piling on someone in the opposite party or seeking to bail out someone in the host's party.

    I would bet that there's a fairly close to 1:1 relationship between the number of people who tune in Limbaugh because they agree with him about everything and the number who tune in because they disagree with him about everything.

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    Well, and if you believe in free market economics in any real sense, I think you have to say that's their decision to make. The conservative mouthpieces made themselves invaluable to media conglomerates by strident and universal hatred of the Clinton White House. In a drive-by world, people (even those who might not agree with the talking heads) stop to listen because it creates conflict, which seems to drive viewership/listenership. They did it so well that now they really can't be displaced, even if popular political sentiment might suggest an audience for something different.
    No one wants to replace popular wing-nut radio, but it would be 'fair' if radio conglomerates gave liberal programs like Stephanie Miller the same chance for success in San Antonio as they give local wing-nut hosts like Jeff Bolton and that 21 year old kid on OAI.

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    No one wants to replace popular wing-nut radio, but it would be 'fair' if radio conglomerates gave liberal programs like Stephanie Miller the same chance for success in San Antonio as they give local wing-nut hosts like Jeff Bolton and that 21 year old kid on OAI.
    Fair rarely has anything to do with free markets.

    The better argument might be that the FCC's relaxation of prior limits on frequency ownership has removed the possibility that other groups, with an inclination to air different viewpoints, will be able to acquire frequencies that are favorable for broadcasting success.

    I don't think there's any basis to resort to content fairness as an argument here -- I wouldn't support the resurrection of the fairness doctrine, for example -- but for that same reason, I'm not sure that the demise of Air America is anything other than a predictable blip on the broadcast radar.

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    That *must* explain the rise of conservative talk radio during the mid-to-late 90's. Principled and entirely rational disagreements with the sitting administration without any hatred or venom. That *must* be it.
    Well, gee, where's the reciprocal rise of liberal talk radio during an administration to which they're rabidly opposed.

    You've got to be more than just partisan, you need to be right as well. Unfortunately for Clinton, the things Conservative radio shows were saying happened to be true.

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    Well, gee, where's the reciprocal rise of liberal talk radio during an administration to which they're rabidly opposed.
    Relegated to obscure stations with low broadcast power and little or no corporate support. That Clinton haters were able to attain talk radio hegemony in a market that was relatively small at the beginning of that administration isn't terribly surprising. The demographics of a talk radio audience in 1992 were ripe for the rise of voices decrying the Man They Couldn't Beat.

    You've got to be more than just partisan, you need to be right as well. Unfortunately for Clinton, the things Conservative radio shows were saying happened to be true.
    Yes, as the ultimate result of the impeachment proceedings resulting from Oval Office fellatio proved.

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    Relegated to obscure stations with low broadcast power and little or no corporate support. That Clinton haters were able to attain talk radio hegemony in a market that was relatively small at the beginning of that administration isn't terribly surprising. The demographics of a talk radio audience in 1992 were ripe for the rise of voices decrying the Man They Couldn't Beat.
    Hang on to that, FWD.

    Yes, as the ultimate result of the impeachment proceedings resulting from Oval Office fellatio proved.
    Not to mention losing his license to practice law in the state where he perjured himself. Oh, yeah, he also settled with the plaintiff in whose case he perjured himself, suborned perjury, and obstructed justice.

    I can't help it if the Senate was to chicken to convict. It certainly wasn't for a lack of evidence.

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    I guess this is what happens. You scream at history to take your mind off of a failing leader.

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    CCC has finally heard the out-cry from the left, thanks be to God!

    Baltimore Business Journal - 2:51 PM EDT Monday
    Oct 10, 2006


    A group of media and political partners is teaming up to launch a new star search for progressive talk radio.

    Clear Channel Radio, the Center for American Progress Action Fund, Jones Radio Networks and Media Syndication Services, which is based in D.C., will conduct a nationwide talent search for the next voice of the political left.

    The contest begins Monday and will culminate with a final broadcast in front of a live studio audience in the District. Entries will be judged by an expert panel that includes Ed Schultz, one of the highest-rated syndicated progressive talk show hosts on the airwaves.

    The entire at-large contest will be managed online at TalkProgress.com, a Web site designed by Seattle-based Internet development company Nakea and by local promotions.

    Clear Channel Radio developed the progressive talk format in March 2004 at one of its AM radio stations in Portland, Ore. The station's rating shot from 23rd to first in that market. Since then, nearly 100 radio stations industrywide have begun airing syndicated progressive talk content, including eight in the top 10 radio markets.
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    Stephanie Miller and Ed Shultz are winning the ratings war, but you'd never know that in lowly San Antonio.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Here is the official bankruptcy filing of Air America from Smoking gun

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    CCC has finally heard the out-cry from the left, thanks be to God!
    The proliferation of the Far Left message will only serve to further distance moderate Dems from their Party, widening a chasm that cannot be bridged. (see Lieberman supporters).
    Probably will be more of a curse than a blessing (unless you're a supporter of Republicans holding onto the White House regardless of performance).

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    The reason Air America went belly up is simple, it sucked. I tried to listen to it, I really did, podcasts and everything, but it flat out sucked. unlistenable.

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    The reason Air America went belly up is simple, it sucked. I tried to listen to it, I really did, podcasts and everything, but it flat out sucked. unlistenable.
    Such is the message of hate preached by the likes of Al Franken and Randi Rhodes. It sucks and is unlistenable.

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    The reason Air America went belly up is simple, it sucked. I tried to listen to it, I really did, podcasts and everything, but it flat out sucked. unlistenable.
    I completely agree. They must have gone through five different morning show programs, and they all sucked. I'd rather listen to shaky-voiced Diane Rehm on my way to work than the crap Air America put out there. Same as you, I really tried to give it a chance, but I bet I haven't even tried listening to it since Katrina.

    Randie Rhodes is pretty good, though.

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    Such is the message of hate preached by the likes of Al Franken and Randi Rhodes. It sucks and is unlistenable.
    I don't know that it is the message, as much as the delivery. Look at someone like Stephen Colbert. He constantly ridicules that administration and their defenders, while being very entertaining.

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    Such is the message of hate preached by the likes of Al Franken and Randi Rhodes. It sucks and is unlistenable.
    Yonivore, it does not serve you well to say that Air America is bad because of hate speech...if you are to do that then you condemn all conservative radio.

    Nobody, and I absolutely stand by this until my death, is more hate-filled than Michael Savage. He is the living embodiment of the television host from V for Vendetta. And behind him, Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh.

    Find something other than hate, or if you can not do that, either condemn both, or leave well enough alone.

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