Wait a second, did you add some stuff to Crookshanks name? You clever son of a .
Bull . There's a transcript of the exchange between Bush and Stephanopoulos right on that page. Just admit you didn't look at it and save yourself further embarrassment.Actually, I'm at work and I don't have the capability to hear video clips - so excuuuse me!
Again, I think you guys are taking the literal words of the President and calling him a liar; when, in fact, he's just changed the terminology, not the overall strategy. Each time he mentioned "stay the course" he was referring to staying in Iraq until the job was done and not leaving before that time.
Very good reasons exist for calling him a liar, but you go ahead and pretend he's not.
The world needs bottom feeders too.
So why would he stop saying it now and completely disown the phrase?Again, I think you guys are taking the literal words of the President and calling him a liar. Each time he mentioned "stay the course" he was referring to staying in Iraq until the job was done and not leaving before that time.
Everbody, and I do mean EVERYBODY, knows damn well that Bush has has said "We must stay the course" more than just once. It doesn't matter that he hasn't said it in 2 months does it?
And I didn't call him a liar, shanks, I'm calling him comically inept. I'm calling you a liar since there is no way you could have posted your flat-out denial of Bush's quote had you actually read the article I linked.
we need a youtube with extracts from all his speeches of 2+ years where he says "stay the course" followed with the above video
Does anyone click the links?
Yes, we dowe need a youtube with extracts from all his speeches of 2+ years where he says "stay the course" followed with the above video
but crooky's "belief" in dubya, like her "science", will stand all assaults by hard facts!
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He was "Stay the course!" before he was "I've never been stay the course!".
ing flip flopper...
It must be nice to be a 4 year lame duck
I'm still waiting for some explanation from Crookshanks.
Should be interesting.
In that I used to agree with the President. I figured it was the moral staying to help fix the place after you drove your car into a neighbor's living room.
BUT
Answer this question:
How will we know exactly when the job is done?
When the Generals say so, the prediction du jour is 12 - 18 months.
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October 24, 2006
Iraq Agrees to New Security Timetable, U.S. Officials Say
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 8:06 a.m. ET
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- U.S. officials said Tuesday Iraq's government has agreed to develop a timeline for progress by the end of the year, and Iraqi forces should be able to take full control of security in the country in the next 12 to 18 months with minimal American support.
( just in time for the 2008 elections, and announced just before the 2006 election. )
Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, also said he felt the United States should continue to focus on drawing down the number of American forces in the country, adding that he would not hesitate to ask for more troops if he felt they were necessary.
( where is he going to get them? )
The comments came after a e in violence during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan. Casey said the Iraqi army lost 300 men during the fasting month ending this week.
U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said that the Iraqi government had agreed to develop a timeline for progress by the end of the year. He declared that the United States needed to redouble its efforts to succeed in Iraq.
Khalilzad and Casey appeared at a rare joint news conference in the heavily fortified Green Zone in Baghdad. A power failure in the Green Zone briefly cut off the broadcast of the remarks.
Both men castigated Iran and Syria, Iraq's neighbors east and West, for trying to undermine the American effort to stabilize the country.
( castigating them will stop them from undermining, right. Syria and Iraq have then own timetable and objectives for Iraq. What happens in Iraq is pretty much out of US's hands )
Khalilzad said that radical anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who controls the violent Mahdi Army militia, had agreed to U.S. demands that the government develop a timeline for reducing violence and stabilize the political situation.
The month of October has proven especially deadly for U.S. forces as well.
The American military announced that two more U.S. Marines were killed during combat in the insurgent stronghold of Anbar province. The deaths raised to 89 the number of U.S. forces killed in October, the highest toll for any month this year and on course to surpass the October 2005 total of 96. Before that the deadliest months were January 2005, at 107; November 2004 at 137 and April 2004, at 135.
A U.S. military spokesman also said earlier Tuesday there had been no word on the fate of an American soldier reported missing the day before in Baghdad. Troops carrying photos of the missing soldier continued door-to-door searches while Army Kiowa reconnaissance helicopters circled overhead in the central Karradah district.
The missing soldier's name and other personal details have not been officially released. American troops who raided Baghdad's al-Furat TV on Monday said they were looking for an abducted American officer of Iraqi descent who had gone to join family members in Karradah.
"We have not heard anything," Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, an American spokesman in Baghdad, said. "We are sure U.S. forces are doing everything they can in the search."
A U.S. military official in Washington on Monday said the missing soldier was a U.S. Army translator of Iraqi descent who may have been abducted. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the information was not cleared for release.
Sectarian violence persisted in the southern Iraqi city of Amarah, with at least two more policemen shot to death early Tuesday. Militiamen loyal to an anti-American cleric have been hunting down officers aligned with a rival group in a new outbreak of Shiite-on-Shiite revenge attacks in the city.
The latest killings in Amarah follow the murders of four policemen on Monday, which were blamed on fighters of the Mahdi Army headed by al-Sadr. Those forces appeared to have control of the southern city's streets after the police force dominated by the rival Badr Brigades fled. Although the Iraqi army set up a few roadblocks, troops did not seek to block Mahdi fighters.
The spread of revenge killings among Shiites in their southern heartland poses a new challenge for the Iraqi government and American forces struggling to control insurgent and sectarian bloodshed to the north -- especially in Baghdad. It also bodes ill for greater political progress; both al-Sadr's party and the sponsors of the Badr Brigades, the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, or SCIRI, are members of the ruling Shiite coalition.
The attacks came despite a public call by al-Sadr to halt the killings, suggesting that splinter groups were developing within his militia.
Al-Sadr repeated those calls in an address to supporters Tuesday marking the beginning of the three-day festival of Eid al-Fitr, which marks the end of Ramadan. Sunni Muslims marked the start of the festival on Monday. Celebrations in Baghdad were muted due to fears over the capital's worsening security situation.
"I totally reject any Shiite-Shiite fighting or Sunni-Shiite sectarian fighting in Iraq under any pretext," al-Sadr said. "Protecting Iraq is our main goal and the expulsion of the occupation troops from the country is our objective too."
The conflict in Amarah claimed the lives of 25 police and Mahdi Army fighters late last week when the militia stormed into the city seeking revenge for the kidnapping of the brother of its local commander.
Following two days of relative calm, Mahdi fighters began targeting Badr Brigades-aligned policemen on Monday, while Badr Brigades fighters beheaded the kidnapped nephew of the slain Mahdi commander.
As with most religious occasions in Iraq, the Eid al-Fitr observances were laden with political overtones.
In an address to hundreds of supporters following morning prayers, the head of SCIRI praised a recently passed federalism law that Sunnis fear could divide Iraq into three mini-states and cut them off the nation's oil wealth.
"Those who oppose and attack this project ... are either wrong with good intentions, or deluded, or ignorant or enemies of the Iraqi people and do not want good for Iraq," Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim said.
Underscoring security concerns, al-Hakim spoke from behind a screen of bulletproof glass surrounded by bodyguards at the party's Baghdad headquarters.
A timetable? What?
Last edited by SA210; 10-24-2006 at 09:58 AM.
[QUOTE=Crookshanks]As usual, you libs don't have your facts straight. It wasn't the President who said the above quote - it was White House Counselor Dan Bartlett.The President hasn't used that phrase in over two months.
Also, staying the course doesn't necessarily mean using the same strategy - it means staying in Iraq until the job is done. And on that, the President has never wavered.[/QUOTE]
So when Dems call for troop reductions they are labled as cutting and running..yet a Republican proposes the same thing and it is known as drawing down... Stop with the selective outrage on speech being used against a politican
It's too funny...how can the republicans still back this guy. Don't they have any self respect left.
Wow he's the first person to ever change his mind in the history of the world! Or "lie" to America!
So now that "stay the course" is allegedly not the motto, are the Righties looking for a NEWER hip catch phrase to justify all their nonsense?
The Iraqi govt is too weak and divided, it hasn't delivered yet, it can't deliver, and it wont deliver 100% responsibility for security in 12 - 18 months.
Badr/Sadr/al-Qaida militia want the US to leave, and they are stronger than the Iraqi police/army.
Casey is blowing smoke up our asses, but he's just following orders from dubya/rummy.
They are like a cult in that they just follow this guy. Seems to be about 33% of the country (and 54% of Texas). I don't want to hear any crap from any of them about Tom Cruise and Scientology, there is not much difference.
I'm sorry, but Democrats would do the same thing. It's just how the two parties are.
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