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PLEASE tell me he didn't really say this!?!?!?!
If that's not the ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!
Now Hush just said the Dems like to scare people in order to g et them to vote? Of course as another terror alert has been raised on the screen behind him..
PLEASE tell me he didn't really say this!?!?!?!
If that's not the ultimate example of the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is!
People like Hush and Whannity are such blatant hypocrites they do not realize what they are saying. Example A. Whannity d the " Kerry voted for the 87 billion before he voted against it"... He never played the remianing portion of Kerry's statement and continually repeated that over and over... Trent Lott made comments that cost him his leadership position and Whannity made the case that his words were taken out of context. Whannity went through great lengths in setting up the scenario of where Lott was, who he was speaking to ,and why he said what he said... Whannity always likes to put into context some Republican comments ..yet he never does the same things for dems..
But Rush accused him of actively faking the severity of his illness for political gain in the commercial.
That is a far cry from trying to demonstrate the seriousness of a disease isn't it?
You lost no small amount of respect from me here. You want to defend comments like that, and buy into the personal attack stuff you are as big of an ass as Limbaugh is, and have sunk to the level of boutons.
So since you have decided to go the personal attack route, let's bring up some blasts from the past.
Has anybody forgotten the he called Chelsea Clinton the "white house dog"? Chelsea was about 13 at the time. What kind of man makes fun of a 13 year old girl on national tv?
Does anybody remember the way he was very uncermoniously dumped as a football commentator because he said that blacks couldn't play quarterback well?
The ing hypocritical drug addiction? Should I drag up the weepy apology and all the hateful things he said about drug addicts?
The time he accused a marine of "going to Iraq to pad his resume" because he was a democrat?
This guy is a total s bag. People who buy into his brand of viciousness like you make me ashamed to be an American. We are better than him and better than you apparently.
Limbaugh is the worst kind of coward and blowhard. If you are too much of a moron to see through this and give the man rides, just because he makes you feel good about being a hateful human being, that is no better than a crack addict throwing away everything that makes them human for the sake of a temporary high.
They played a clip of an interview on Inside Edition last night where Fox did admit that he went off of his meds prior to testifying before Congress. He said he did it because they needed to see the effects of the disease.
It still doesn't excuse Rush.
Well of course not. And it speaks well of Fox, okay, so he didn't fake it.
But made damn sure everyone knew he had the illness and displayed it
for all to see. Even tho, even tho, meds can control it for a while.
And I might add, he wants a child to die so he can have a little research
that may, just may, find a cure for his illness. No proof postive that stem
cell research will work on anything.
One other little point, no one seems to want to address. Stem cell
research was allowed by BUSH, no other President, including CLINTON.
FEDERAL MONEY. That is the issue, FEDERAL MONEY, you can
use your own and do what ever research you want. But they dont
want that.
Now about Fox and going off his meds:
Rush said:
All right, people are asking for the cite, that's c-i-t-e. This would be Michael J. Fox, an excerpt from his book "Lucky Man" June 1, 2002. Here is what he writes regarding his appearance before a Senate appropriations subcommittee hearing in Washington on September 28th, 1999: "I had made a deliberate choice to appear before the subcommittee without medication. It seemed to me that this occasion demanded that my testimony about the effects of the disease and the urgency we as a community were feeling be seen as well as heard. For people who had never observed me in this kind of shape, the transformation must have been startling," as it was for me when I saw the commercial he was running in Missouri, because I had never seen him that way before, ever, and I got numerous e-mails from people saying he had said that he does this: goes off the medication to illustrate the ravages of the disease to people and so it's in his own book, that he admits doing this.
Now, Kathryn Jean Lopez at National Review Online has a story on their website today: "Doc Hollywood on the Campaign Trail; What Michael J. Fox learned while on Spin City," and in it she quotes Princeton professor Robert P. George, who sits on the president's bioethics commission, and he says this: "I have great sympathy for Mr. Fox and other victims of Parkinson's and similarly horrible diseases. I understand how desperately he hopes for a cure for what afflicts him and so many others. I have seen members of my own family suffer, and I too want to hasten the day when the great engine of science conquers the diseases that cause so much suffering. But the fact that Mr. Fox is a victim is not a license for him to mislead or manipulate the public.
"The truth — the whole truth — must be told. Those politicians who, for political gain, have run these ads in which the truth is distorted and people are misled deserve the most severe of reprimands. Win or lose, they have brought upon themselves disgrace." That, ladies and gentlemen, is my whole point: "that Mr. Fox is a victim is not a license for him to mislead or manipulate the public. The truth -- the whole truth -- must be told. Those politicians who for political gain have run these ads in which the truth is distorted and people are misled deserve the most severe of reprimands. Win or lose, they have brought upon themselves disgrace." That, ladies and gentlemen, is my whole point. "Mr. Fox is a victim is not a license for him to mislead or manipulate the public. The truth -- the whole truth -- must be told. Those politicians who for political gain have run these ads in which the truth is distorted and people are misled deserve the most severe of reprimands. Win or lose, they have brought upon themselves disgrace."
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And about the dimm-o-craps trying to scare people into voting for them.
It is one of their oldest tactics.
Remember: The republicans want to take your Social Security away
for you. And that was in the 70's and 80's.
Now it is: Republicans hate everyone with an illness and want you to
die. They wont let people do stem cell research and it will cure people.
on and on and on and on............
And the drugs quit working over time. You're still a s bag.Well of course not. And it speaks well of Fox, okay, so he didn't fake it.
But made damn sure everyone knew he had the illness and displayed it
for all to see. Even tho, even tho, meds can control it for a while.Those abortions are still happening and are legal. So make them illegal if you are so upset about them. Otherwise you are full of .And I might add, he wants a child to die so he can have a little research
that may, just may, find a cure for his illness. No proof postive that stem
cell research will work on anything.Including dead baby research, so Bush wants to kill babies for Michael J. Fox. Hypocrite.One other little point, no one seems to want to address. Stem cell
research was allowed by BUSH, no other President, including CLINTON.
FEDERAL MONEY.The truth is that Fox has Parkinson's disease and he's going to get worse, meds or no meds, and he's doing everything he can to help others with that disease get closer to finding a more effective treatment.The truth — the whole truth — must be told.And about the dimm-o-craps trying to scare people into voting for them.
It is one of their oldest tactics.Have you seen the Osama-mushroom-cloud-boogeyman-"These are the stakes" spots the RNC is running. What is the goal of those? Do they give you feelings of traquility and love?
For regular readers, my apologies. I will now decend to xray's level to prove a point. What follows is simply an attempt to turn Xray's addiction to vitriol into a learning experience for him.
So you admit imbaugh was full of ? We can agree on that much at least. Too bad so many conservatives are still stupid enough to fall for all the other things he says.
So according to you, he should have simply suffered quietly, not done anything about it, and not helped anybody else with the disease. I am sure life would be better if we were all as selfish as you are.But made damn sure everyone knew he had the illness and displayed it
for all to see. Even tho, even tho, meds can control it for a while.
When was the last time you pur your money where your mouth is? It costs money to keep the frozen embroyos. You have never sent a check to pay for this, have you? Didn't think so.And I might add, he wants a child to die so he can have a little research
that may, just may, find a cure for his illness. No proof postive that stem
cell research will work on anything.
One other little point, no one seems to want to address. Stem cell
research was allowed by BUSH, no other President, including CLINTON.:
I guess by your logic we should blame Lincoln and Washington for the same thing. You just said: "God-damn hyporcrite George Washington never funded this stuff either, but Bush did and that makes him better." Fact is the science was just in early stages in the late nineties. No one even knew what a stem cell was until a few year ago.
How ever much Rush and his apologists like you want to quantify, confuse and argue about the definition of "is", Rush still went out and straight up lied about the ads simply because he disagreed with the content. He can spin or do all the weepy apologies he wants, the fact is that he remains a drug-addled coward and a liar.
The fact that people like you hold him up to be some kind of prophet of truth says volumes about how little regard you have for truth and fair play.
Hypocrites all.
Speaking of hypocrisy:
This from the same guy who says that Democrats would let the terrorists win? "Vote for a democrat if you want the terrorists to win. BOOGA BOOGA!"And about the dimm-o-craps trying to scare people into voting for them.
It is one of their oldest tactics.
Yeah, you and your radical party have a lot of moral authority to talk about scare tactics and politics.
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I have now stooped to mindless ad hominem, strawmen and vitriol. I feel icky.
Feel free to take the high road anytime Ray. Prove you are really better than that.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 10-25-2006 at 12:57 PM. Reason: Removed the personal attacks. That was a step too far to make a point.
I just posted this in the Club. I'll post it here too since there are 2 threads about it.
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Evil and selfish comments by Rush.
That poor man (Fox) is trying to make a change and show the true effects of his disease. What, are we supposed to act like it's not there? I know it's simpler to avoid alot of problems and sweep them under a rug, right? Anyone who believes that it's normal and ok to take pills for the rest of your life needs a reality check. It kills your insides over time and you'll eventually die of some other disease like cancer.
Let's get him and others the help they need.
Man, I grew up watching his movies, my own personal favorite that I think was his best and most underrated was a drama, Casualties of War, a true story that Fox really believed he should make, even it didn't make a cent. If you haven't seen it, watch it. It's about a squad of American soldiers in Vietnam who kidnap a girl from a village and take her on their patrol. They abuse her, rape her and murder her and Fox tries to save her and goes against the rest of the squad and refuses to participate in the rape of the poor girl. They try to kill him for reporting it to his superiors and he makes sure that her story gets out, but he lives with the alot pain because he wasn't able to stop them.
It hardly made any money, mainly because, I think, people didn't want to see that our soldiers did something like that, but it was a very good film and I thought Fox and Sean Penn were great in it. It's a true story and it's directed by Brian De Palma.
It really saddens me to see a role model of mine like this with this disease. My childhood wasn't all that bright, but one of the good things I can remember was watching Michael J. Fox's movies, like Back to The Future and Teen Wolf, etc. This is something very personal for me and I'll support him.
God bless you Mike.
Last edited by SA210; 10-25-2006 at 12:32 PM.
As I have said above, in less-than-nice terms, for all the spin and retracting, I have seen the clip where Limbaugh straight up says that Fox "was acting" in the commercials.
His need to drag others down to pump up his own ego gets away from him quite often, as much as he might say the occasional decent thing, he is still very much an insecure little boy in a man's body who is a slave to his own sense of self righteousness.
The fact that no small number of his listeners like to feel the same sort of ego boost that comes from dragging people down who disagree with him/them the way he does saddens me to no end.
There is a fine line between criticism and character assassination, and he steps over it regularly.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610240001
In fairness, Limbaugh does set up the bit mentioned above by SA210:And in this commercial, he is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He is moving all around and shaking. And it's purely an act. This is the only time I have ever seen Michael J. Fox portray any of the symptoms of the disease he has.
this is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting, one of the two.
My point is that he shoots off the cuff like this so much, and is found to be wrong like this in no small number of instances, that one has to really consider taking what he says a little less seriously. He doesn't deserve the hero-worship of anybody, as so many do.So I will bigly, hugely admit that I was wrong, and I will apologize to Michael J. Fox if I am wrong in characterizing his behavior on this commercial as an act, especially since people are telling me they have seen him this way on other interviews and in other television appearances.
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!
If Character has any measure to the calculation of whom should be an authority, or source of political discourse, the question must be how did a vast audience look to Rush Limbaugh?
He has no military backround, no political backround either in experience, or education; he has little insight into the issues he rants about other than the talking points fed him by the RNC.
Lets be specific as to what Rush is, a propagandist. Truth, accuracy, or good policy, or common sense has nothing to do with his goals, they are whatever the RNC wants them to be!
I'll take Thom Hartman any day of the week, and accomplished intellectual, author, historian, philospher, and American thinker, opposed to a recovering drug addict in denial, a college drop-out, liar, and accomplished deceiver.
An accurate metaphor for our choice on November 7th, 2006.
Happy Thought;
Dan Grady
(from a comment to the media matters article)
RG did plunge down to level xray. What was it like at the bottom of the human barrel?
I think Fox's embellishing is a bit much, as were LImbaugh's comments.
Hush shadow boxes with soundbites for a reason... he can't defend his facts(his opinions) so why have the folks on his show to expose him.. I mean if I was a ditto head I would love to hear Hush put those libs in ther places.. but you must at least wonder why hush has no one on his show..sorry other that the VP..
I don't know how anyone can claim Fox is embellishing anything unless he says he is.
He should've taken his medicine before the interview.
The movements, I don't know other sensitive way of saying it, are not needed to put his point across.
Should there be more funding for stem cells? YES, but provisions to keep cloning and from aborted babies need to be put in place. Tossed away, Spelling badly here, embillicle chords, has supposedly, like I said I don't totally know, found to be quite helpfull.
Ill step out before Im nailed with the bullets the children are shooting back and forth.
It was a little showy. Thats all.
Flame me what you want.
You wanted him to hide his disease from public view?
Bush approved research done with surplus embryos that were frozen for reproductive purposes. Do you agree with that practice?Should there be more funding for stem cells? YES, but provisions to keep cloning and from aborted babies need to be put in place.
Not at all.You wanted him to hide his disease from public view?
But alot of people KNOW he has the disease, so doing it is just for shock value and not for putting the truth to issues.
Its a good use for them, what else would you do with em?Bush approved research done with surplus embryos that were frozen for reproductive purposes. Do you agree with that practice
You don't think a woman deciding whether to have an abortion is told, "If you abort the baby we can use it in tests to help cure a disease"
Don't think that will make more toying with the prospect to say ok yank er out?
Grow them into children. They are whole embryos after all.Its a good use for them, what else would you do with em?Not really. There are thousands of abortions happening anyway. As long as it's legal, they're still going to happen. And as long as there are aborted fetuses: "Its a good use for them, what else would you do with em?"You don't think a woman deciding whether to have an abortion is told, "If you abort the baby we can use it in tests to help cure a disease"
Don't think that will make more toying with the prospect to say ok yank er out?
Gotta love killing kids to serve a purpose.
Continue on sunshines.
Before I leave the muckhole that is this debate.Grow them into children. They are whole embryos after all.
If they are not being used, well sbhould they sit around forever then?
While we encourage to scoop embryos that have developed more than just embryos, out of people instead?
Makes no sense.
But you are for killing the frozen kids. OK.Gotta love killing kids to serve a purpose.
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