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    Everybody is on board with Afghanistan.

    W really ed us into Iraq.

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    ^^How?

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    How? Don't know what your asking but I'll try.

    1. I don't recall any Taliban sympathy in here.

    2. Our kids are coming home in boxes because of a war we were tricked into fighting.

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    X, the Taliban are not in Iraq.

    Are you really this stupid?

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    Xray seems a little all over the place today. Maybe we should back off.

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    ^^
    There not? I didn't know that. Hmmmmm, terrorist
    are not terrorist anymore. Gee you could have fooled me.

    Who were the Taliban, pray tell. Just those in
    Afganistan? Taliban are Muslims/terrorist who took
    over a country and attempting to do so again.

    But what does it matter to you. Everyone over their
    is right and we are wrong. So live your own world.
    You know nothing about history or current affairs, just
    that Bush is wrong. The dimm-o-craps are right and
    if we get out of their everything will be right with the
    world. You know like the 90's. And ignore all that
    went on then. Cause it ruins you argument.

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    I watched an interview on CNN about an hour ago on this subject (I went home for a LOOOONNNNNGGGG lunch), they had one of the guys that was organizing this thing who serves in the Navy and was very clear that he actually hadn't ever been in Iraq but rather on a boat that could see Iraq (and I'm not downplaying the role of the Navy in Iraq, it's just what he said). They also had a guy from the army that has served one term in Afghanistan and two in Iraq and is now home for good.

    Basically, the dude in the Army said, it's not as bad as it looks on TV, and that most everyone he knows is reinlisting.

    Dude in the Navy said that it has stretched our military too thin.

    Dude in the Army said that if dude in the Navy had ever actually set foot in Iraq that he would know why we are there.

    Dude in the Navy then pimped the website.

    Sweet, now we have our military branches mad at eachother.

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    The people from our administration that are over there say everything is fine.

    Are you suggesting that they are lying?

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    Who were the Taliban, pray tell. Just those in
    Afganistan?
    Yes, dumbass.
    Taliban are Muslims/terrorist who took
    over a country and attempting to do so again.
    Yeah, AFGHANISTAN. Go look at a map, idiot.
    But what does it matter to you. Everyone over their
    is right and we are wrong.
    You're wrong, that's for sure.
    You know nothing about history or current affairs
    You think Saddam was a Taliban, don't you?
    The dimm-o-craps are right
    Nah, they just haven't had a chance to be as spectacularly wrong as the Republicans in Iraq.

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    Sweet, now we have our military branches mad at eachother.
    Trust me, that's ALWAYS been the case. Any self-respecting squid, doggie or wing-wiper would agree.

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    Trust me, that's ALWAYS been the case. Any self-respecting squid, doggie or wing-wiper would agree.

    Yeah, but they usually don't let it spill over into the media...........at least I can't remember it happening.

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    ^^ Muslims/terrorist

    Muslim doesn't equal terrorist.

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    So, Navy guys a loser, huh? Doesn't know what he's talking about?

    Maybe he helps to transport our kids laying in boxes.

    Maybe his opinions are based on numbers.

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    So, Navy guys a loser, huh? Doesn't know what he's talking about?

    Maybe he helps to transport our kids laying in boxes.

    Maybe his opinions are based on numbers.

    I would assume that you are talking to me because I'm the one that posted in regards to the interview...........so, when did I say he was a loser? When did I say he didn't know what he was talking about?

    When did I imply anything about the interview other then to just tell you what was said?

    Did it hit a nerve?

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    Not really.

    YOu did make sure to say that he said military streched too thin. That he'd never been on the ground, can only see it from a boat. pimped a website. Good question would be why interview a navy guy when 200 plus are on the ground and speaking out against the war.

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    Not really.

    YOu did make sure to say that he said military streched too thin. That he'd never been on the ground, can only see it from a boat. pimped a website. Good question would be why interview a navy guy when 200 plus are on the ground and speaking out against the war.

    This guy is one of the chief organizers of the "movement", I'd say that was a pretty good reason to interview him wouldn't you?

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    He's not alone. There has been more than one interview today, and several last night.

    Like I said, maybe he brings our kids home and uses numbers to form opinions.

    Numbers don't lie when your counting the dead.

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    He's not alone. There has been more than one interview today, and several last night.

    Like I said, maybe he brings our kids home and uses numbers to form opinions.

    Numbers don't lie when your counting the dead.

    Look, I'm not trying to say anything negative about these troops doing this, if anyone deserves to have a voice, it's the people that we are sending over there. I was really just trying to tell everyone how the interview went.

    If it seems like I was implying that the guy from the Navy did a ty job in the interview, it's because he did, it doesn't mean I feel one way or the other about this topic.

    And I agree, numbers don't lie, that job is left up to our right and left wing elected politicians.

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    Fair and balanced. Good response.

    P.S. I don't want my son anywhere near these ups in DC.

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    Idiot here. Tell you what. I have ask the questions before and no one on the
    the other side wants to answer.

    Who is the enemy. Taliban/Muslims? Not the same? explain. I am open to learning.
    Who has said the Taliban was wrong on this board.

    How are things going to change if we leave? Peace every after? Explain?

    Come on, in your own words, not some dumb article, how are things going to change.

    Explain to me:

    How the barracks in Saudi Arabia didn't get bombed.

    How the WTC didn't get bombed in 1993 and 2001 didn't occur?

    How a peace mission where I troops were dragged thru the streets didn't didn't happen>

    How the bombing of our ship, on a goodwill visit, didn't occur?

    Please I am just an old conservative. These are only a few things I can remember
    off the top of my head.

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    Who is the enemy. Taliban/Muslims? Not the same? explain. I am open to learning.
    The Taliban is an extreme group within Islam that had control of Afghanistan. The elected not to cooperate with us by handing over OBL post 9/11 so we went into Afghanistan and threw them out of power and pursued al Quada for awhile. Then President ADD decided to wage war with a secular Muslim in a country totally unrelated to the Taliban, al Quada, 9/11 or Osama Bin Laden.
    How are things going to change if we leave? Peace every after? Explain?
    Peace ever after, no. Whoever has the most firepower will end up running the country probably as an Islamic theocracy after much death and carnage.

    Come on, in your own words, not some dumb article, how are things going to change.
    Quite simple, we will be able to expend our resources on the terrorists who are responsible for 9/11. We will be able to remove 130,000 of our military from a civil war where nothing but chaos is going on with no progress in fighting terrorism. When somethings not working, you change.

    Explain to me:

    How the barracks in Saudi Arabia didn't get bombed.

    How the WTC didn't get bombed in 1993 and 2001 didn't occur?

    How a peace mission where I troops were dragged thru the streets didn't didn't happen>

    How the bombing of our ship, on a goodwill visit, didn't occur?

    Please I am just an old conservative. These are only a few things I can remember
    off the top of my head.
    None of those were done by Saddam or Iraqis. You go after those that done it.

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    Seriously X, are you OK? Not a joke. I'm a little concerned.

    I have to leave but will try to check back later, might be tomorrow.

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    The Taliban is an extreme group within Islam that had control of Afghanistan. The elected not to cooperate with us by handing over OBL post 9/11 so we went into Afghanistan and threw them out of power and pursued al Quada for awhile. Then President ADD decided to wage war with a secular Muslim in a country totally unrelated to the Taliban, al Quada, 9/11 or Osama Bin Laden.


    Peace ever after, no. Whoever has the most firepower will end up running the country probably as an Islamic theocracy after much death and carnage.



    Quite simple, we will be able to expend our resources on the terrorists who are responsible for 9/11. We will be able to remove 130,000 of our military from a civil war where nothing but chaos is going on with no progress in fighting terrorism. When somethings not working, you change.



    None of those were done by Saddam or Iraqis. You go after those that done it.

    Well live and learn. You still haven't answered all the questions. Well
    really you have chosen to ignore some evidence. But no matter.
    I already knew the answer I would be given.

    For goodness sakes don't dig below the popular news to find out what
    is really going on.

    That is one of the benefits of retirement. You Have time to look beyond
    the 30 minutes devoted to "News"(?). What a joke

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    Seriously X, are you OK? Not a joke. I'm a little concerned.

    I have to leave but will try to check back later, might be tomorrow.
    I am fine, just a little ticked off at the younger generation. I really do like
    seafood, but clams......yeeeeeech......

    I used to use clams for bait........just kidding about the name. Not about
    the bait....and where....on the Brazos river.

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    I'd have to read more on it to really form a strong opinion one way or another.

    I do laugh at the folks who are already dogging on anyone who criticizes these as neocon hacks, etc.

    I'm sure there's absolutely no politics involved with these guys at all, and I'm sure none will show up at a press conference with a democrat critical of Bush

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