Is it really wrong to advocate research into a disease? Politics is about who gets what.
If you think something should be done about "X" and think that one candidate or another is better at doing something about "X" it is wrong to stump for them?
By that same logic, burn victims who stump for burn research are wrong, or any other disease for that matter.
Raising public awareness of serious diseases is not a bad thing, as it is too easy to ignore them otherwise. A fact that Limbaugh himself points out, hypocritically in my opinion.
I think it would only be honest to admit that the only reason you or Rush might be upset is that the stumping was for a candidate/party you don't like, isn't it?
That may stray dangerously close to politics for this forum, but I would find it much more honest if Rush would say something similar about people who stump for GOP candidates in the same way. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I think Rush kinda prides himself on being the Howard Stern of political talk radio. I'll never understand why liberals always get their panties in a wad over his shtick. Rush is to the right what Kieth Olberman is to the left. Both are good for a few minutes of over-the-top entertainment, then I have to change the channel.
Rush is a fat hypocritical piece of . Why anybody would even listen to his show is beyond me, arrogant . Ann Coulter and him ought to go toss each others salads.
because he admitted to doing so in his book.
Ok, lets say for a second he did stop taking his meds for the spot...
Why on earth would that be wrong?
Rush stopped taking his drugs for legal reasons.
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I like Michael J Fox as an actor. I am encouraged by his courage in dealing with this disease. I understand his desire to promote stem cell research.
But am I the only one who catches the irony of a Canadian High School Drop-Out Vegan stumping for an American political candidate in Chicago, home of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, Chicago-style pizza and Kielbasa?
He's an American citizen, FYI.
Pointing out the irony does not cons ute an argument of censorship.
Of course, his oath six years ago for the express purpose of becoming politically involved was done in a secret ceremony. Guess he didn't want to alienate the home folk.
He has a right to stump for whatever candidate he chooses. His voice carries louder as a victim of Parkinson's than it does as an actor. I simply hope that he does not confuse the relevance of the two like many actors these days who have nothing to say, but think that the SAG status makes that nothing into something important.
IMHO, Rush believes his "celebrity" status gives his opinion more importance when all he is an entertainer himself. He has no credentials other than his star status.
Who is defending the comments that Rush made? For that matter, who is defending Rush at all?
What does that even mean? I just said FYI in case you didn't know or chose to leave that fact out.Guess he wanted some privacy.Of course, his oath six years ago for the express purpose of becoming politically involved was done in a secret ceremony. Guess he didn't want to alienate the home folk.I wholeheartedly agree.He has a right to stump for whatever candidate he chooses. His voice carries louder as a victim of Parkinson's than it does as an actor. I simply hope that he does not confuse the relevance of the two like many actors these days who have nothing to say, but think that the SAG status makes that nothing into something important.
-- Sincerely,
Ronald Reagan, two time President of the Screen Actors Guild
No, you originally stated that he was an American so he can do as he pleases, implying that my comments were against his right to free speech. Nice edit of your post though. Even nicer attempt to feign innocence regarding what you originally posted. Does your Mod status allow you to make changes without the "post edited" clause that the rest of us have? btw, this is not a personal attack so don't lock the thread, OK?
WTF with the Reagan reference? I believe the man proved that he had something important to say. I believe that MJF does as well, but I already stated that.
He can.No, you originally stated that he was an American so he can do as he pleasesNah, I was stating that he was as American as you or I.implying that my comments were against his right to free speech.Sue me.Nice edit of your post though.Nah, it's the same thing. I'd stand by either statement. You either wanted to imply he wasn't a citizen or were ignorant of it. That's nice of you.Even nicer attempt to feign innocence regarding what you originally posted.Nope, I don't know the time limit, but if you edit it within the first minute or so, the "edited" message doesn't show. Try it.Does your Mod status allow you to make changes without the "post edited" clause that the rest of us have?WTF is with the SAG card reference?WTF with the Reagan reference?Then leave it at that.I believe the man proved that he had something important to say. I believe that MJF does as well, but I already stated that.
I've read this thread, and I find it interesting how misinformed some people are about Parkinson's Disease.
The meds for Parkinson's are almost as devestating as the disease itself. They wreak havoc on a person's digestive system and other vital organs, cause extreme drowsiness, affect a person's ability to think clearly and can make a person feel absolutely exhausted most of the time. Unfortunately they're all that's available to help control the symptoms of the disease. They're not even close to being a cure. What's worse is that there is only a limited amount of time that the meds work because your body builds up a tolerance for the drugs, and once that happens you either have to increase the dosage to dangerously high levels or experiment with some other drug that may or may not work.
Once you're on the meds, it's extremely difficult to go off of them. Your body develops a certain dependency on them, and if you go off the meds you risk almost total paralysis until you can get back on the medications for a while and your give your body a chance to readjust to taking them. It's not like popping aspirin...you can't just say "hey, I feel a symptom" and pop a pill or two. It's a several week process to try to go off the meds and then back on them again.
If Michael Fox went off his meds to film these political ads, it speaks more to his strength of character than to any attempt to "act" sick. In my opinion, what people see on a television show when he's medicated and holding himself rigid for a shot is far more "acting" than what you see in those political ads. Stem cell research is the only area where strides are being made to find a cure for this illness and I'm proud of Michael Fox for his courage, and his efforts to get the right folks in office who can provide enough open-minded thinking to find a cure for these sort of diseases.
On a personal note, my Dad died in August from a pulmonary embellism that was brought on by a side-effect of his Parkinson's. He went from still being able to play basketball at the gym with his four sons in August of 2001 to no longer being here in August of 2006 at the age of 63, with a lot of suffering thrown in between. There currently isn't a cure to this illness, but I certainly hope and pray that the medical community is given the ability to openly search for one.
Never said he couldn't. You created a rebuttal over nothing.
Technically no, because he is naturalized, but we all share the same rights of citizenship. Add the fact that he desired citizenship purely for policital purposes.
Something tells me it would not be worth it. And I don't want all my future threads blocked.
I could care less if you made the edit. I found it humorous that you claim to have "just said FYI" when that was an edited post.
As far as being a citizen, yes I was aware that he was a citizen, but that does not mean he is no longer Canadian. Heck, 5th generation San Antonians still call themselves Mexicans. People identify with their heritage.
I shall.
It was a reference that focused on politically active actors who have an inflated sense of self-importance simply because they are actors. Many actors have shunned a decent education and have done nothing with their lives outside of the entertainment industry, but are supposed to be a voice for the people of America? Sorry that the connotation went over your head.
Wow. Do I have wait to speak again until your pompous ass gives me permission?
What about Game 4 starter status?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/25/sp...rtner=homepage
Cardinals' Suppan Pitching and Politicking
By JOE LAPOINTE
ST. LOUIS, Oct. 25 — Jeff Suppan is scheduled to pitch for the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 4 of the World Series tonight at Busch Stadium. But his time on the mound will not be his only appearance on the telecast.
Mr. Suppan is one of several athletes who taped a 60-second political campaign commercial, to be broadcast on the Fox network’s national telecast of the game, urging Missouri voters to oppose stem-cell research and vote against Amendment 2 to the state cons ution, on the ballot in the Nov. 7 election.
In a video copy of the ad, distributed by an anti-amendment group called Missourians Against Human Cloning and posted on the Internet, Mr. Suppan’s face appears in the first 10 seconds. He is not wearing a baseball cap in the ad.
“Amendment 2 claims it bans human cloning, but in the 2,000 words you don’t read, it makes cloning a cons utional right,” Mr. Suppan says in the ad. “Don’t be deceived.”
Other athletes who appear in the ad are Kurt Warner of the Arizona Cardinals football team, who formerly played with the St. Louis Rams, and Mike Sweeney of the Kansas City Royals baseball team. James Caviezel, the actor who played Jesus in the film “The Passion of the Christ,” also appears.
The stem-cell research issue has moved to the center of the Missouri Senate campaign between Jim Talent, the Republican in bent, and Claire McCaskill, the Democratic challenger. Mr. Talent opposes the amendment; Ms. McCaskill supports it.
The actor Michael J. Fox, who suffers from Parkinson’s disease — one of many conditions that researchers hope to cure through stem-cell research — has taped a commercial supporting Ms. McCaskill and her stand on the issue.
Because that ad ran during an earlier World Series telecast, opponents of the amendment decided to respond in kind, even though the Senate election and the research amendment are state issues that only Missourians will vote on.
Connie Farrow, a spokeswoman for a group that favors the amendment, the Missouri Coalition for Life-Saving Cures, said that even though Mr. Suppan was one of her favorite Cardinal pitchers, she disagreed with his statements in the ad and would prefer the opinions of medical experts on questions of science.
“He’s wrong — respectfully, I say that,” Ms. Farrow said of Mr. Suppan in a telephone interview. “I would ask Jeff Suppan why Missourians don’t deserve to be treated the same as other Americans when it comes to health care.”
A spokeswoman for the anti-amendment group that distributed the ad said she was not authorized to speak to the media about it, but would try to arrange for an authorized representative to comment later today.
Interesting, the Pro Stem Cell people use Michael J Fox, someone who suffers from a disease that could possibly be cured by stem cell research, and those who oppose it use athletes and actors....
Interesting. Get the nation talking about it and pressure the locals. Missouri will be a precedent for other states to follow. Big time stakes involved here. Hopefully they consider all the relavent facts and not "personality" pleas from the right or the left, Mr Fox included.
And Rush is from Missouri, so the circle is complete.
EHJ, Sorry about your dad.
"Missourians Against Human Cloning"
Gotta love the lies in their choice of group name.
A lie being that anybody against this group is FOR human cloning (false)
A lie being that anybody FOR stem cell reserach is FOR human cloning (false)
A lie being that stem cell reseach EQUALS human cloning (false)
Do sheeple really fall for these lies?
You can never misunderestimate the stupidity of the The Great American Sheeple.
sheeple
Missourians Against Human Cloning
And why not Missouri, too? (gave us the gift of John Ashcroft)
Um, Michael J Fox is an actor. And one of his closest friends is Cam Neely, Hall of Fame hockey player, whose Cancer Foundation is closely tied to Fox's Parkinson's Foundation. Guess both sides are guilty of playing that card, eh?
Be intellectually honest and admit that if they threw Joe Construction Worker suffering from Parkinson's in front of the camera, it would not be as interesting or heart tugging as hearing from an actor that everyone loves.
EHJ, forgive me for letting the banter of the thread cause me to fail in saying than you for your post.
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