Sheed Ejected...

[nkdlunch]

next year the refs will be allowed to carry a whip. and use it if any player gets out of line.

[AFBlue]

What's wrong with what Stern is doing?

Is everyone up in arms about the NFL players who get fined or told constantly to pull up their socks??? The NFL, aka the "No Fun League", enjoys WILD success and great TV ratings because the game is clean cut and does not tolerate misbehavior on the field as well as off of it.

David Stern is doing proactive things to improve the image of the game of Basketball because it took such a downturn after the Michael Jordan era. He needs his stars to be goodwill ambassadors to the public and international community. He needs them to dress and act professionally. That begins where he can control it...on the court.

Personally, I applaud David Stern for trying to improve the image of his league and modeling it after the premier professional sport league in the world...the NFL.

Would you rather him be like Bud Selig, who couldn't make a decision if the league depended on it?

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I disagree. I mean i respect thats how you feel but I think if a player doesn't feel that call was the right call, why shouldn't he be able to talk to the ref about it or be able to show emotion? Thats one thing that made the game good. Zero tolerance has to be one of the dumbest things Iv ever seen in the NBA.

I understand your point, however talking to the ref is one thing. Showing emotion is one thing. Throwing your arms in the air demonstratively or showing up the ref is another thing. Nash should have gotten a tech for dribbling the ball facetiously at the ref. The Nuggets and Suns are really good at playing to their home crowds any time there's a whistle, and the league should have put a stop to it a long time ago, so it's going to look harsh for a while until it gets under control.

I've never seen a ref whistle a guy for a foul, have the guy throw his arms in the air in a big theatrical shrug, and seen the referee respond by saying, "Oh, because of your reaction you must not have committed a foul. My mistake. Inadvertent whistle!" Until that happens, the players need to shut the up already.

[DirkAB]

Exactly. Zero accountability for refs.
Yes, reduce the player whining. While improving the reffing.

In case you haven't noticed, the players and moan after good calls and bad calls alike. So is it acceptable to complain whenever you want? Regardless of whether it was a bad call or not? It's out of control and this new rule should have been implemented years ago.

[G-Money]

I understand your point, however talking to the ref is one thing. Showing emotion is one thing. Throwing your arms in the air demonstratively or showing up the ref is another thing. Nash should have gotten a tech for dribbling the ball facetiously at the ref. The Nuggets and Suns are really good at playing to their home crowds any time there's a whistle, and the league should have put a stop to it a long time ago, so it's going to look harsh for a while until it gets under control.

I've never seen a ref whistle a guy for a foul, have the guy throw his arms in the air in a big theatrical shrug, and seen the referee respond by saying, "Oh, because of your reaction you must not have committed a foul. My mistake. Inadvertent whistle!" Until that happens, the players need to shut the up already.

Thats the thing ,some players can't just shut the up. What if this went on during a very intense game and a wrong call is made on someone. That guy is going to say something and get emotional but with these rules he will be T'ed up. I just find it stupid that they will just T you up for almost everything now.

[DirkAB]

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Thats the thing ,some players can't just shut the up. What if this went on during a very intense game and a wrong call is made on someone. That guy is going to say something and get emotional but with these rules he will be T'ed up. I just find it stupid that they will just T you up for almost everything now.

So, do you think that they should just go back to letting the players show up the refs after every call? Do you think it is OK that the players were complaining after good calls and bad calls alike?

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Thats the thing ,some players can't just shut the up. What if this went on during a very intense game and a wrong call is made on someone. That guy is going to say something and get emotional but with these rules he will be T'ed up. I just find it stupid that they will just T you up for almost everything now.

I think you've been watching Rasheed for too long and it's screwed up your perspective.

BTW, every player CAN shut the up. The question is, WILL they shut the up.

[AFBlue]

I think you've been watching Rasheed for too long and it's screwed up your perspective.

BTW, every player CAN shut the up. The question is, WILL they shut the up.

Most will, as they learn the tendencies of the various officials, but I think some will continue to be "volatile" and I think, however unfair, there will continue to be bias against players with that "volatile" rep, a la 'sheed and artest.

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Most will, as they learn the tendencies of the various officials, but I think some will continue to be "volatile" and I think, however unfair, there will continue to be bias against players with that "volatile" rep, a la 'sheed and artest.

I'm puzzled with the word "bias". If Rasheed "continues to be volatile" he's going to get whistled, because them's the rules. If he has a bad reputation to live down he's the one responsible for it, and if referees who have been embarassed by him for years hold a grudge, it's 'sheed's job to start mending those fences. I suppose the league can shoulder some of the blame for not enforcing the rules and letting the players get so goddamn whiny, but in the end it's on the players.

[AFBlue]

I'm puzzled with the word "bias". If Rasheed "continues to be volatile" he's going to get whistled, because them's the rules. If he has a bad reputation to live down he's the one responsible for it, and if referees who have been embarassed by him for years hold a grudge, it's 'sheed's job to start mending those fences. I suppose the league can shoulder some of the blame for not enforcing the rules and letting the players get so goddamn whiny, but in the end it's on the players.

I agree that he certainly earned the reputation and that it's on him to be genuinely contrite, but my point was to say that he will certainly be held to a higher standard than others because of that reputation. And you know as well as I do that it would take a great deal of maturity to begin that long journey to earning respect....maturity that Rasheed Wallace does not possess.

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I agree that he certainly earned the reputation and that it's on him to be genuinely contrite, but my point was to say that he will certainly be held to a higher standard than others because of that reputation. And you know as well as I do that it would take a great deal of maturity to begin that long journey to earning respect....maturity that Rasheed Wallace does not possess.

Sounds to me like he'd be exceeding expectations just to be held to the same standard as everyone else and not lead the league in ejections. If he can't follow the rules he can go get work with Sprewell.

[G-Money]

So, do you think that they should just go back to letting the players show up the refs after every call? Do you think it is OK that the players were complaining after good calls and bad calls alike?

My point is, they are calling it way to tight. They call a tec just for putting your arms in the air. I mean sheed should have only had one tec cause the first time he didn't do anything. Im not saying they should complaine after every call, but Rasheed gets a lot of bad calls gone his way and I think he should have the right to say somthing.

[G-Money]

I think you've been watching Rasheed for too long and it's screwed up your perspective.

BTW, every player CAN shut the up. The question is, WILL they shut the up.

No they can't. Just because you think they can just shut the up doesnt mean they can. Its their personaility. Not everyone is the same, so people can just let it go and some people when they feel somthings not right they will say somthing and I think they should be able to. Am I saying screaming at the ref? No, that deserves a tec but you should be able to be able to put your hands up or shrug or talk to the ref about a call.

[AFBlue]

No they can't. Just because you think they can just shut the up doesnt mean they can. Its their personaility. Not everyone is the same, so people can just let it go and some people when they feel somthings not right they will say somthing and I think they should be able to. Am I saying screaming at the ref? No, that deserves a tec but you should be able to be able to put your hands up or shrug or talk to the ref about a call.

The bottom line is that two seasons ago, the NBA hit a low point with the brawl in Detroit. The players' emotions weren't kept in check and that brawl was a bi-product of the players exercising unchecked agression. The commissioner wants to foster a compe ive, but safe/non-violent environment, and he certainly never wants to see something like that happen again. So whether certain people have the "ability" to control their frustrations and anger, they will be held accountable regardless....and the NBA is all the better for it.

[AFBlue]

this is a junk message...didn't know my first post went through

[G-Money]

The bottom line is that two seasons ago, the NBA hit a low point with the brawl in Detroit. The players' emotions weren't kept in check and that brawl was a bi-product of the players exercising unchecked agression. The commissioner wants to foster a compe ive, but safe/non-violent environment, and he certainly never wants to see something like that happen again. So whether certain people have the "ability" to control their frustrations and anger, they will be held accountable regardless....and the NBA is all the better for it.

First off I don't think a brawl like that will ever happen again. And again I think you should be able to put you hands it the air or talk to the refs. Its bull you can't really do anything. The rule Stern made is a horrible rule.

[Marklar MM]

30 technicals have been called in the first 3 days of NBA basketball.

Last season, there were a total of 1053 called. If my math is correct, at the current pace, last years called technicals for the entire season will have been surpassed in roughly 35 days.

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No they can't. Just because you think they can just shut the up doesnt mean they can. Its their personaility. Not everyone is the same, so people can just let it go and some people when they feel somthings not right they will say somthing and I think they should be able to.

That's completely ridiculous, and using the righteous indignation defense is laughable. If it's Rasheed's right to say and act however he wants, then it's the referee's right to give him technicals and throw him out.