Todays Trivia Question:

[whottt]

If I make the standard 9 made 3pt FG, the leader is (lo and behold) Devin Brown (9-17, .529) -- for whatever that's worth.

Well...if you want to get cheap about it...

[FromWayDowntown]

2

Probably some guy who played in less than half of 123 games and another guy with over 400 more FGA than 1604 in 5 less than 123 games.

Of course . . .

[whottt]

whatttt????

Hey...he's going below the media guide total to do that.

[FromWayDowntown]

Hey...he's going below the media guide total to do that.

Reducing by one, as opposed to multiplying the media guide standard by 4?

[Quasar]

Here's one for you: among Spurs with at least 40 playoff appearances, how many have averaged 20+ ppg for their playoff careers with the Spurs?

2 - David Robinson & Duncan

Heh... haven't checked any stats

[timvp]

Here is another trivia question:

Who had the lowest +/- of any Spur in last season's playoffs?

Bump.

[whottt]

Of course . . .

Just out of curiosity...

If you were to take oh say...some player that had 123 games and look at his scoring average through his first, oh say, 57 games(still an official tally)...how many players do you think there would be?

And what do you think his average might be?

[timvp]

Reducing by one, as opposed to multiplying the media guide standard by 4?

Props to owning whottt in his own thread. That's classic

[Solid D]

Here is another trivia question:

Who had the lowest +/- of any Spur in last season's playoffs?

Big Shot Rob?

[Quasar]

Bump.

Those not playing have a +/- of 0, right?

If so, then the worse +/- should be Nazr?

[whottt]

Bump.

Um...you do realize that no one takes +/- playoff stats very seriously due to the small sample size...particularly if the sample size doesn't even get you past the second round...

But even in a championship run...+/- figures are enormously misleading...

Case in point...the guy who had the lowest +/- total during our championship season was also the guy who made the winning block.

What have you proved?

[whottt]

Props to owning whottt in his own thread. That's classic

How did he own me in my own thread?

I asked a trivia question putting no one down...he turned it into a Drob hateathon..and a Devin Brown stretchathon.

[FromWayDowntown]

2 - David Robinson & Duncan

Heh... haven't checked any stats

whottt, in his own special way, already got the answer correct:

Probably some guy who played in less than half of 123 games -- aka George Gervin

and another guy with over 400 more FGA than 1604 in 5 less than 123 games -- aka Tim Duncan

David's career playoff scoring average was 18.1 ppg -- a number arbitrarily reduced by the changed emphasis of the Spurs' offense after 1998. David's average before 1999 was 23.4 ppg (1448 pts/62 games) -- slightly below Duncan's career 24.1 ppg and Gervin's 27.9 ppg.

[whottt]

Reducing by one, as opposed to multiplying the media guide standard by 4?

I raised the bar...to keep it from being cheap.

I am fully willing to use the official media guide...

Even though 10 is cheap...

By all means make it cheaper if you want.

[timvp]

Um...you do realize that no one takes +/- playoff stats very seriously due to the small sample size...particularly if the sample size doesn't even get you past the second round...

But even in a championship run...+/- figures are enormously misleading...

Case in point...the guy who had the lowest +/- total during our championship season was also the guy who made the winning block.

What have you proved?

Just say that it's Brent Barry. -32. Per minute, it was twice as bad as the great Nick Van Exel.

-32

[FromWayDowntown]

Just out of curiosity...

If you were to take oh say...some player that had 123 games and look at his scoring average through his first, oh say, 57 games(still an official tally)...how many players do you think there would be?

And what do you think his average might be?

I'm not sure why you arbitrarily draw a line in the middle of the 1998 playoff run. Take it through to the end of that run -- 62 games -- and then see my post above.

Even if I just counted the first 57 games that "some player that had 123 games" played and averaged his points, I'd still get 23.8, which would still be less than Tim Duncan's career scoring average in the playoffs.

[timvp]

And we both know that Bowen's +/- numbers are always going to be low because he comes out of the game when the other team's best perimeter player comes out of the game.

[SequSpur]

next trivia question..........

WGAF?

[Solid D]

Just for my own edification, what was Robert Horry's playoff +/- ?

[Quasar]

Just say that it's Brent Barry. -32. Per minute, it was twice as bad as the great Nick Van Exel.

-32

Is the main component of the -32 cause by the stretch of games vs Sacramento?

Could be due to Bonzi - he killed all our guards. I guess that the +/- of all our SG/SF suffered in that period

[whottt]

Yeah? And Brent Barry got little or no run except when the Mavs were blowing our asses off the court...which was rare.

I'd be willing to be that many of our players had negative +/- figures for that playoffs...if only because the Mavs blew us out of the water and we trailed for virtually the entire series.

[timvp]

Just for my own edification, what was Robert Horry's playoff +/- ?

-6

Which is pretty logical seeing as he pretty much sucked throughout the playoffs. Luckily for him, he does enough little things to stay out of the Brent Barry range.

[whottt]

I'm not sure why you arbitrarily draw a line in the middle of the 1998 playoff run. Take it through to the end of that run -- 62 games -- and then see my post above.

Even if I just counted the first 57 games that "some player that had 123 games" played and averaged his points, I'd still get 23.8, which would still be less than Tim Duncan's career scoring average in the playoffs.

Yeah well...DRob didn't have Drob manning the paint with him...


Interstingly enough...prior to last seasons domination against the Mavs...Duncan's post season numbers had dropped lower than his regular season numbers in many categories.

[timvp]

Yeah? And Brent Barry got little or no run except when the Mavs were blowing our asses off the court...which was rare.

I'd be willing to be that many of our players had negative +/- figures for that playoffs...if only because the Mavs blew us out of the water and we trailed for virtually the entire series.

Uh Brent Barry started two games against the Mavs. He played 28 minutes in game three and 38 minutes in game four. He had plenty of time to show what he could do.

Well, I guess he did.

-32

[timvp]

Just for my own edification, what was Robert Horry's playoff +/- ?

In the 2005 players, Horry was a +112. That was second on the team. And again, that makes sense seeing as how well Horry played in the playoffs.

Barry in 2005? +17 ... behind the likes of Glenn Robinson and Beno Udrih

"But he won the championship for us." -- whottt