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    You mean the micro-managing military blocking Rumsfield is quitting. Happy days for the military brass... Party at the Pentagon…

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    Damnit!! I hate the fact that I'm missing this!!

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    Bush is boiling. He just said he's trying to get things done including this Vietnam thing.

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    Gates is tabbed to replace Rumsfield? With Gates being ex CIA director I can just hear all the conspiracy boys warming up in the bullpen.

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    Damnit!! I hate the fact that I'm missing this!!
    That's what happens when you have a job, Joe.

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    "accountability"

    far from it, retiring costs him nothing.

    Rummy was seen as the scapegoat, the lightening rod for criticism of the war, protecting dubya.

    With rummy gone, let's get out the long(er) knives for dubya and head.
    Rumsfeld wasn't a scapegoat, he was a dumbass. He refused to listen to those under him who were giving him informed opinions, because he had his own (arrogant) ideas about how the military should be run.

    boutons, bury the hate. I'm amazed someone as dumb as your ass can log on to the internet.

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    Can this guy save the War on Terra?

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    Here's what he sent out to everyone at A&M earlier:

    By the time you read this, the President of the United States will have
    announced that he will nominate me to be the next Secretary of
    Defense. I am deeply honored, but also deeply saddened.

    As most of you know, almost two years ago I declined an opportunity to
    become the first Director of National Intelligence. I did so
    principally because of my love for Texas A&M and because much of the
    program we had initiated to take A&M to a new level of excellence had
    only just started.

    Today, two years later, all of the initiatives of greatest importance
    are well underway and on an assured path to completion. The faculty
    reinvestment program is on track and all 447 new positions should be
    funded by next September. Work is underway or in planning for more
    than $500 million in construction, some 90% of it on new academic
    facilities. We have made significant progress in increasing the
    diversity of our faculty and student body, and both the programs and
    funding are in place to continue that important and on-going effort.
    And many new initiatives are now underway or are already complete to
    enhance both graduate and undergraduate education, including, above
    all, the new University Studies degree program. The Corps is on the
    right track in terms of growth and grades, and the Capital Campaign
    will end next month having far exceeded our billion dollar goal.

    Some of you may worry whether one or another of these efforts will
    continue with my departure. You need to know that the progress we have
    made has been a team endeavor, and the team will remain. A remarkable
    faculty and a group of gifted administrators and staff who truly
    deserve the credit for all that has been accomplished over the past
    four-plus years will still be here -- above all, my strong right arm
    for nearly four and a half years, the Executive Vice President and
    Provost, Dr. David Prior.

    I apologize for surprising you with this momentous decision and
    announcement, and for leaving as president before fulfilling my
    commitment to serve Texas A&M for at least five years. I hope you will
    understand the cir stances that made this necessary and that this
    appointment comes nearly as much a surprise to me as to you.

    I will have more to say to you before I leave (if I am confirmed by the
    Senate). But I must tell you that while I chose Texas A&M over
    returning to government almost two years ago, much has happened both
    here and around the world since then. I love Texas A&M deeply, but I
    love our country more and, like the many Aggies in uniform, I am
    obligated to do my duty. And so I must go. I hope you have some idea
    of how painful that is for me and how much I will miss you and this
    unique American ins ution.

    At this point, I expect to remain as President of Texas A&M until
    completion of the confirmation process and a Senate vote. I assure
    you, you will hear more from me before my departure.


    Robert M. Gates
    President
    Texas A&M University

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    Most of what I've ever heard about Gates and how he worked with Texas A&M was positive, I hope that translates well to the DOD.

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    I gotta tell you, it'll be nice going back to the future with some George H. W. Bush era realists.

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    Why not put a military guy in charge?

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    One of the guys they forced out?

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    Whottt may be right. Someone connected to the reality of what needs to be done. We already know the generals have opinions that are different from this administration.

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    Gates will be a great SoD. My only concern is that he's only got two definite years in office (depending on what happens in '08), not sure if that's going to be enough time to fix everything.

    But the guy is damn smart, and he knows the Middle East VERY well. For those of you who hated Rummy and thought he was too much of a war hawk, Gates is on the record as feeling that diplomacy can and will work with Iran, we've just got to use the right tact.

    I can't remember everything he's said about the Mideast in the past, but I remember reading and hearing some of his speeches at A&M and felt he had a very good handle on what needs to be done.

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    Whottt may be right. Someone connected to the reality of what needs to be done. We already know the generals have opinions that are different from this administration.
    Gates was involved in foreign ops for the CIA for 20+ years, and just because he has been at A&M the last several years doesn't mean he hasn't stayed in the loop.

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    Holy crap! A&M president Dr. Gates is going to replace him. Great pick, he'll do a great job.
    When the President said his name, I thought he was a top aide to the Joint Chiefs.

    Obviously, I was incorrect.

    I sincerely hope the Dems approve the appointment and this government can just move forward. This is a prime example of letting the sleeping dog lie. Kicking people when theyre down does nothing, absolutely nothing, to help the respective cons uencies of every politician.

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    I hope your right. He has no time to cram for this test.

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    weak , Aggie, you're way out of your depth here.

    rummy will be the scapegoat for losing Iraq by mis-managing it, while dubya tries to escape responsbility for losing Iraq by "mis-starting" the war.

    up to now, rummy has been the lightening rod, dubya's proxy, taking criticism for the Iraq war rather than dubya seeing the bucks stopping on his desk.

    weak , less, really weak .

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    When the President said his name, I thought he was a top aide to the Joint Chiefs.

    Obviously, I was incorrect.

    I sincerely hope the Dems approve the appointment and this government can just move forward. This is a prime example of letting the sleeping dog lie. Kicking people when theyre down does nothing, absolutely nothing, to help the respective cons uencies of every politician.

    He will be approved before the new Congress is seated.

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    Guess Gates is relieved that he doesn't have to decide on whether or not to fire Fran.

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    Gates was involved in foreign ops for the CIA for 20+ years, and just because he has been at A&M the last several years doesn't mean he hasn't stayed in the loop.
    Aggie's right.

    I mean, if anything else, College Station is its own country compared to the rest of the U.S.


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    He will be approved before the new Congress is seated.
    I need a picture of Homer with a big, fat "D'oh!"

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    Guess Gates is relieved that he doesn't have to decide on whether or not to fire Fran.


    He could just call Fran into military service.

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    What this Tell's an old man.

    History is repeating itself. A country in decline. The youth of the country has no
    staying power and is spoiled rotten.

    As am old man I am saddened. I see people so pre-occupied with themselves and
    their small life they really don't have time for anyone else. They profess their
    feelings for the downtrodden, but have no compassion. They only profess, they
    give, but them don't give. How can this be? They must be rewarded for their
    giving. SA210 comes to mind. He/she professes his/her belief in God and his
    speaking against killing. Yet, denies that he took wrath on those who opposed
    his will.

    Bush, as a politician, has proven he is just that. A politician. He says he will
    continue with his present policy in Iraq. I can only hope he does. The dimm-o-craps
    will, as I can already see, will seek their revenge, for what, God only knows.
    Protecting the American people. Rummy said it best. This was is more complex
    than just defeating an enemy. We are fighting an ideology. Not just in Iraq, but
    world wide. Which no one on this board seems to understand. You think nievera
    has arrived because the dimm-o-craps have been elected. Well, let me explain
    something to you. If we pull out of Iraq tomorrow, if we left the whole world and
    brought our troops all back to the United States, it wont change a thing. Except
    you will be frighten to go to any event, go to a shopping center, or ride any form
    of public transportation. They have listened to the clamor and learned. Just
    as the North VN did. They are cunning, they are patient and they will win if you
    continue to let them. Somewhere, sometime, you are going to have to take a
    stand or perish. That is a fact.

    I can hardly wait for the response to this post. Because I know the response. And
    it evens saddens me more. My President sadden me very much today. He more
    thank likely thinks caving in will make things okay. But just look at boutons
    post, get out the long knives. Oh, my God, Bush and his administration was never
    the enemy, the terrorist are! Does anyone not understand that? I am sad for this
    nation and pray to God I am wrong in my assessment.

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    weak , Aggie, you're way out of your depth here.

    rummy will be the scapegoat for losing Iraq by mis-managing it, while dubya tries to escape responsbility for losing Iraq by "mis-starting" the war.

    up to now, rummy has been the lightening rod, dubya's proxy, taking criticism for the Iraq war rather than dubya seeing the bucks stopping on his desk.

    weak , less, really weak .
    I'll go a step further with this "scapegoat" thing.

    Bush and his evil, murderous, lying White House crew knew that there was a huge possibility of subpeonas and investigations about the lies to get us into this illegal war and other corruption as well if the Dems won this election.

    Rummy was a scapegoat alright. They got rid of him as quickly as possible considering these cir stances. I wouldn't be so quick to say that Bush would have fired Rummy just yet, had the Republicans won this election.

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