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You've had at least 6 years to coax your man into some kind of action. What happened?
No, it is about people coming into this country, Illegally. Mexicans are
part of the problem, but not all of it. And most of all it is about the illegals who
don't really want to become part of the country, just take advantage of
the benefits, but have everyone bend to their "heritage" and "traditions"
while ignoring ours.
So get a life and understand what we are talking about.
It is not about "humanity" and "diversity". We have those without the
illegals.
You've had at least 6 years to coax your man into some kind of action. What happened?
No , and they even had the majority, rubber stamp congress to get it done.
You realize there are people in the US illegally who are not Mexican.
As to healthcare- I support universal healthcare- so flame away.
I too support universal healthcare, candy bar vending machines, concubines, free beer.
of course the s went baqck to the dfemocrats just like a dog alwayws goes baxk to their puke.
You said illegal alliens will bring this country to its knees in a couple of decades. That implies Latinos will be the cause of America's demise. Care to expand, because the way you wrote it, it sounds pretty racy to me.
this is about the rest of the LEGAL US residents continually having to support illegals.
The US generates enough dough to support indo entados. It will not break any time soon. Don't swet it, snake.
Do YOU like paying to support people in this country illegally?
Given the fact I pay thousands of dollars in taxes I will never benefit from, no, I do not have a problem.
As you said, until the US stops hiring illegals, this problem will never go away.
I don't think I said this (at least not on this thread), although I agree with your statement, this is part of the problem. But go and re-read my post because the problem is much bigger than American companies hiring illegals.
Already addressed by Peabody himself.I don't fault people trying to better their lives but for s sake can you get in line like everyone else?
So?
I've lived in the US for 9 years and pay taxes (lots of them, may I add) on a regular basis.
I have every right to opine.
Furthermore, not sure who made you the authority regarding who can and cannot state its opinion on this matter.
Are you stupid? Since when does illegal aliens only mean Latinos? Last time I checked, it was ANYONE in this country illegally.
Now thats a grand way of looking at the issue. The US can afford it so by golly lets roll out the red carpet and let eveyone in without going about it legally. Free for everyone! Woohoooo! Hey, if we are going to support undo ented people, do you think Uncle Sam could give me some free Spurs season tickets?? , we have the money right??
I like to believe I'm not. Let's check your answers to my questions to see if you are.
Since when does illegal aliens only mean Latinos?
It doesn't, but tell me how many people see a guy from Norway and think "This dude must be an illegal". The overwhelming majority of illegal alliens are Latinos.
In any case, that was not the main point of our discussion. You are using it to avoid to comment on your stupid statement:
Care to comment?
Now thats a grand way of looking at the issue. The US can afford it so by golly lets roll out the red carpet and let eveyone in without going about it legally.
Again you show your stupidity. As it has been proven over and over again, most of the illegals work their but off in search for a better life. They are not a burden to the American economy, they are actually positive to the economy in many levels (they help you buy the you do cheaper, for starters).
And for the minority that abuses the system, the economy can absorb them well without a glitch.
If you think the American economy will be brought down to its knees because of a few indo entados, you are a moron.
Watching the Spurs = providing basic health services to children of illegals?Free for everyone! Woohoooo! Hey, if we are going to support undo ented people, do you think Uncle Sam could give me some free Spurs season tickets?? , we have the money right??
Now that is a clever statement!
Almost as clever as this one, remember?:
You certainly do. And I am not the authority regarding anyone who wants
to "opine". But what makes you an authority on our illegal problem?
As far as you paying taxes. Good. You make the dough in this country,
then pay the bucks.
As a matter of curiosity. Have you or do you plan on getting your
citizenship and are you legal. Did you go through the process to
come here legally? Nine years is a long time.
Care to tell the Bexar Country Hospital district that and help my
tax bill every year (San Antonio located in Bexar county).
Also, school districts and the free breakfast/lunch/summer feeding
programs. And the taxpayers who foot those bills.
You indicate you are in New York City. Don't you just love all their
social programs and City/State/Federal taxes that you pay to
support those programs.
I think what he is attempting to show with his comment about tickets=
health care is where does it end. And don't say it wont go there,
look at some European countries that pay for vacations for people
on welfare, because they need vacations too......
Care to tell the Bexar Country Hospital district that and help my
tax bill every year (San Antonio located in Bexar county).
Also, school districts and the free breakfast/lunch/summer feeding
programs. And the taxpayers who foot those bills.
You indicate you are in New York City. Don't you just love all their
social programs and City/State/Federal taxes that you pay to
support those programs.
I think what he is attempting to show with his comment about tickets=
health care is where does it end. And don't say it wont go there,
look at some European countries that pay for vacations for people
on welfare, because they need vacations too......
BUT the god ole' US of A can support them so it okay!! Yes, its fine that our hard earned tax dollars are being used to pay for hospital bills for illegals having kids in the US.
I never said I was.
And I will be paying my taxes (in the US) long after I'm gone, unfortunately.As far as you paying taxes. Good. You make the dough in this country, then pay the bucks.
My wife and I came through an L-1 visa. My wife's employer, and American company, got her (and me) a green card in 2004 (after 7 years in the US). I can apply for citizenship after a certain period (I think it's 2 1/2 years). But we are still thinking if this is the right move for us. The benefit is, of course, being able to live in the US. The drawback: once we go back to Argentina, we will be stuck paying taxes to Uncle Sam forever.As a matter of curiosity. Have you or do you plan on getting your
citizenship and are you legal. Did you go through the process to
come here legally? Nine years is a long time.
I have three kids. They are American because they were born here.
Sure! Take a look at this article. Please read the whole thing.
Hospitals feel strain of babies born to undo ented moms
James Pinkerton
Houston Chronicle
RIO GRANDE CITY — First it was a trickle, now it's a flood.
Rising numbers of undo ented immigrants from Mexico and Central America are streaming into Texas to give birth, straining hospitals and costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, health officials say.
Doctors say they are overwhelmed by both the new arrivals and immigrant mothers who already are in the state.
Feeling the strain is Starr County, an already-poor South Texas county that has the region's only taxpayer-supported hospital district.
Immigrants "want a U.S.-born baby," and they know emergency room staffers don't collect any money up front, said Dr. Mario Rodriguez, an obstetrician in Starr County.
"The word is out: Come to Starr County and get delivered for free. Why pay $1,000 in Mexico when you can get it for free?" Rodriguez said.
"When we are separated only by the distance of the river — it's easy to do," Starr County hospital administrator Thalia Muñoz said.
"It's gotten worse, and it's because the economy in Mexico is not good and because we provide all these benefits," she said, referring to Medicaid, food stamps and other assistance programs.
Starr County isn't alone.
In Houston, an estimated 70 percent to 80 percent of the 10,587 births at Ben Taub General Hospital and Lyndon B. Johnson General Hospital last year were to undo ented immigrants, administrators say.
"Our little snapshot is duplicated in all the municipalities between here and California," said Tony Falcon, a Rio Grande City physician who was appointed to the U.S.-Mexico Border Health Commission in April.
"What you see here is what is happening in Brownsville, McAllen, El Paso and San Diego."
In Bexar County, it's impossible to say how many babies are born to undo ented mothers, said Leni Kirkman, spokeswoman for University Health System, which serves as the county's public hospital district.
Patients are tracked only on whether they live inside or outside the county, she said.
"We just don't know. I don't have any breakout showing women's immigration status," Kirkman said, noting that the district sees about 3,000 births per year.
A better effort began last year to try to keep count of often-uninsured undo ented patients, following federal standards required by a new program to reimburse hospitals for debt incurred for treating them.
The program covers only the first two days of treatment, no matter the ultimate length of stay or total cost for treatment. Kirkman said that last year — from May through December — the district billed the government for $4.4 million and was reimbursed $1.7 million.
Falcon, who operates a private family clinic and delivers babies at the Starr County hospital, said about a third of his deliveries are what he calls "walk-ins" — mothers in labor showing up at the emergency room.
"Obviously, it has a huge impact on patient health and the kind of health care that's provided," he said. "You don't get the kind of prenatal care you should get."
Immigration-control advocates regard the U.S.-born infants as "anchor babies" because they give their undo ented parents and relatives a way to pe ion for citizenship. They estimate that 360,000 of these babies are born in the U.S. every year and warn that the numbers are rising.
Once parents have an anchor baby, they become more difficult to deport, said Jack Martin, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a lobby organization in Washington.
"It's a fairly big factor in complicating the removal of illegal aliens," he said. "Illegal aliens know that and, to some extent, we think they're being influenced into having children as soon as they get into the U.S. to complicate their removal."
Some lawmakers want to begin denying citizenship to babies born to undo ented immigrants.
Birthright citizenship, as it is known, has been in force since the approval of the Cons ution's 14th Amendment in 1868.
Congress is considering several bills that would abolish it. Sponsors include U.S. Reps. Ron Paul, R-Lake Jackson, and Nathan Deal, R-Ga.
In a largely symbolic move, the Michigan House of Representatives on Sept. 8 voted overwhelmingly to end birthright citizenship.
Undo ented immigrants say they are being attacked unfairly and believe all children born in the U.S. should have equal rights.
Socorro Gonzalez, an undo ented immigrant who in August gave birth to her fourth child on U.S. soil, said she and her husband aren't trying to take advantage of immigration laws or abuse the health care system.
"We're not here to have a child. We are here to work," she said as she cradled her infant son, Orlando Soto.
Gonzalez, 42, said she moved to South Texas four years ago to join her husband, a cabinetmaker.
Two of their older children were born at a private midwife's clinic, she said, and two were delivered at taxpayer expense at hospitals in McAllen.
Gonzalez said the benefits of undo ented immigrants' labor in the United States more than compensate for the costs of their medical bills.
"I don't see why they should deny a medical service if we're here struggling for this country," she said.
"Because of the help of Mexican workers, whether they want us or not, this country is progressing."
Still, someone has to pay the bills. Starr County Memorial Hospital had $3.6 million in uncollected medical bills in 2005, up from $1.5 million in 2002. The total when fiscal 2006 ends Sept. 30 is expected to hit $3.9 million, Chief Financial Officer Rafael Olivarez said.
Unpaid bills for the past five years will reach nearly $13 million, he said.
To make up the shortfall, Starr County's hospital district is proposing a 25 percent tax increase.
"We're appealing to the community," Olivarez said.
The U.S. government is pitching in and has set aside $1 billion in Medicaid funds to pay for emergency care received by undo ented migrants over the next four years.
But Olivarez said getting the Medicaid reimbursements isn't easy.
Federal officials "told us at a meeting they would pay us about 20 cents on the dollar," he said. "But it's better than nothing."
Eighty-three percent of the undo ented immigrants receiving in-patient care at Harris County Hospital District hospitals and clinics last year were from Mexico, officials said.
Six percent were from El Salvador or Guatemala. The remaining 11 percent were from such countries as Britain, Canada, Haiti, India, Iran, Iraq, Nigeria and Vietnam.
"Using anecdotal information provided us by our staff, statistics from other public hospital systems, and our patient demographics, we believe that approximately 70 to 80 percent of our obstetrics patients are undo ented," said Shannon Rasp, spokeswoman for Harris County Hospital District.
In all, 57,072 patients visited the district's hospitals, clinics and health centers last year, and nearly a fifth were undo ented, Rasp said. The cost of their treatment was $97.3 million, up from $55 million in 2002.
Taxpayers are "bearing the burden of a very flawed immigration system," said George V. Masi, the district's chief operating officer.
A decade ago, a McAllen hospital dressed its security guards in green uniforms resembling those of the U.S. Border Patrol. Pro-immigration activists quickly put an end to it. But the tactic seemed to deter "walk-ins," said Dr. Porfirio Muñoz, medical director of a federally funded health clinic in Rio Grande City.
Today, he said, extreme measures may be needed once again to stop "wanton abuse" of the system.
Among his ideas: Have the Border Patrol interview patients after their babies are delivered at Starr County Memorial.
"I suspect the drop-in rate would fall very quickly," he said.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/me...es.3069c90.html
So why not agree that your boy bush dropped the ball on imigration? Why not agree that nothing has been done and hope for change with the new balance of power?
There is much that needs to be cleaned up, but it will take time. Your side has been given the "6 year benefit of doubt". Is there enough pine sol to clean this mess?
Imagine the amount of that's been left on the floor. That's what happens when the former ruling party is supported by the likes of christian radicals, hillbillies, skinheads, and rednecks. This change will have to include coulture shock.
Yes and people like the great liberal Ted Kennedy, who got them to vote
to give them amnesty and all would be right with the world. Except it
just encouraged more to come illegally.
But never fear, we are going to do it again, just wait until the new year
and all will be right with the world. Except our borders will still be open
and the will still be pouring across in droves and there will be a whole
new flock of dimm-o-craptic voters.
Now don't you feel better?
Like they need to be encouraged more. What a joke. Is that you applauding Bushs efforts?
I am not sure that is correct. At one time, if you were out of the country
for 18 months or more you didn't have to pay the taxes. But I stand to
be corrected on that. I do know that the tax law is now very complex
on citizens working overseas. And I am sure there are provisions and tax
treaties that may cover you. Yeah, they do have tax treaties with other
countries also treaties that cover Social Security, believe it or not.
Governments are greedy so and so's.
Hey Clam, Bush is on your side on this one. Not mine. The applause is for your
side and giving them citizenship and more voters. You won and we lost.....
lighten up buddy.....
Hispanics already in the U.S. may like curbing illegal immigration for their own economic interests, but they don't want a fence...
Zogby/Hispanic PR Wire Poll: U.S. Hispanic Voters Abandon GOP
Heated Debate over Immigration Earlier This Year May Have Soured Some Hispanic American Voters on the Republican Party; Top Hispanic Concerns Mirror Those of Nation at Large
UTICA, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)Business Wire--Just two years after 40% of Hispanic Americans voted for Republican President George W. Bush’s reelection, far fewer say they think the Republican Party understands them best, a new Zogby/Hispanic PR Wire telephone poll shows.
Barely one in five Hispanic voters – 23% – said they felt the Republican Party understands them best, compared to 56% who said they think Democrats know them better, the new survey shows.
The Zogby/Hispanic PR Wire poll, conducted Nov. 17–20, 2006, included 903 respondents, 737 of which were voters in the Nov. 7 general election. The poll carries a margin of error of +/– 3.7 percentage points.
Even among Hispanics who said they were themselves Republicans, just 76% said they thought the GOP understood them best. Another 8% said the Libertarian Party best understood them, 7% thought Democrats knew them better, while 10% of Republicans said that either another party better understood them, or that they were unsure. Among Democratic Hispanics, 83% said their own party better understood them, while 4% said Republicans understood them best. Another 7% of Democrats said other minor parties had the best understanding of them, while 7% were uncertain.
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