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Again, that is a ridiculous statement to make. Paul wouldn't do as well as Nash does in that system because he can't shoot like Nash. Actually, Nash is the system, he makes that system go like nobody else could.
jesus you have unreasonable standards. he's only in his second season, and he didn't luck out by getting onto a team featuring the best basketball player since jordan.Stop sucking Chris "I havent won anything" Pauls .
Again, that is a ridiculous statement to make. Paul wouldn't do as well as Nash does in that system because he can't shoot like Nash. Actually, Nash is the system, he makes that system go like nobody else could.
Bryon is a one trick pony coach who made his living off Kidd and now Paul
The point constantly pushes the ball and if anyone else wants a touch they have to run hard and try to keep up. Im not saying he's a better player then CP3 but Parker would have mvp numbers playing on that team.
Nah man... It goes like this...
Nash, Paul (Arenas tied w/ Paul if you consider him a PG, I do), and Parker... Billups ain't seein none of those guys, and you know it.
you s forgot one thing
beno udrih>god>cp3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>spurs starting pg
While I do agree that Paul is a better pure point guard than Tony, he is not a better overall. Tony Parker is incredibly fast, he can shoot now, and he is one of the best finishers around the rim. Using the "He has Duncan playing next to him" excuse is horse . It's not like Jason Williams or Derek Fisher were awesome playing next to one of the greatest centers ever. Like someone said, if you were to put Tony on the Hornets and switch Paul over here, Tony would be putting up MVP numbers. I don't think Paul would fit into the Spurs' system very well.
In 3 years I'd take Paul probably over anyone outside of LeBron, but for now, I'd stick with Tony.
cp3 on spurs team = tim duncan more n touches none of this 4-1 down bs motion crap pop runs with tp, hence we see duncan postin up MVP numbers or a player that should postin up prime numbers.
The 4 down offense is mainly run through Tim Duncan dude. You know, where Tim gets the ball, and everyone stands around? Tony Parker gives plenty of touches to Tim. It's not Tim's job to just score, but to also regulate passing and shooting. Many times he'll get double teamed and pass to Tony for an open jumpshot, like the back to back threes against Phoenix.
The Hornets go to guy is CP3... the spurs dont need Parker as much as we have other ppl to go to..
that is why he's being hyped so much... parker could do the same if he was in the position...
Chris Paul is owning the NBA in his 2nd season....now while you're comparing Parker and CP3 lets not forget Chris Paul is a sop re and Parker is entering his 5th year....while i do think that the Spurs will be a much better team with Paul at point, Parker has done alot for the Spurs when Duncan was injured. He is important to the Spurs but if you put him on the Hornets, his #'s drop significantly.
I disagree. I think Tony's numbers would go up, and he'd be averaging around 28 points per game because there he'd be the number one option.
You can't really tell though because the systems are different. Pop likes that Tony is a scoring point guard who can dish out assists but Paul is more of an assist man although he can score. I don't really think Paul would be better than Tony in the Spurs' system.
even deron williams is havin a good year with the jazz
I think we're reaching a point where it's Parker and his play that is making Duncan's job easier. Paul is a great young player, and a better true PG than Parker, but Parker's continual growth has been amazing. Every year he goes out and adds the weapon he needs to move to the next level. First tear drop, then the ability to use both hands around the basket and have ridiculously good footwork in the paint where he's able to get shots off against bigs even better than Duncan. Now a mid-range jumpshot he can stroke with the best of them. Any doubt he'll add an effective three, a quick pull up J? Parker will enter his glory years in a year or so and his glory years will be as a solid PG who can also take over a game offensively at near will. He's almost there.
I'll take either Paul or Parker, thanks.
And the Mavs' fans talking about Devin Harris and Parker in the same sentence this summer. lmfao
im not gunna lie, that fan is a total ing re . i dont care if we are fans of the same team. i cant stand ignorant morons.
and okay, yea, i get your "what if" thing. i still dont agree that he is a legitimate all-star unless he has duncan. and even with Duncan, i dont think he is a legitimate all-star. i think other players were more deserving of a spot on the all-star team. Carmello is by far a better player than Parker. Mike Bibby IMO was more deserving than Parker. Parker had nice stats, but they were just as good as Bibby's and Carmello's were at the time (except for FG%, which is LARGELY a result of Duncan's presence). however, Bibby and Carmello dont have other stars carrying their team. they WERE the stars.
This guy Stretch is some tool. Parker's stats are not a result of Duncan. Duncan sets picks but Rasho actually set better picks. Duncan clogs the lane because that's where he lives, near the post. Duncan has an inconsistent outside shot so he doesn't get Parker the easy assists on the kick and drive, unlike say West who has a money outside shot that gets Paul quite a few easy assists. And when Parker does dish it to Duncan he rarely goes up right away but usually goes into moves, puts the ball on the floor, takes the assist away. The "Duncan makes Parker" is for re s who know nothing. If other than the Spurs with Duncan, Parker was on a team where they ran more, where they had more of an offensive mindset, where they were more dependent on his scoring he'd be averaging 25+ points and still be over .500 FG%.
Anybody that truly believes that Parker hasn't benefited tremendously from being surrounded by the best 3-point shooting team in the league and Tim Duncan is ignorant. I would never claim that Parker hasn't helped Duncan and those 3-point shooters out as well, because that is what a good PG does.....and that's exactly what Parker is. The thing is Paul would do a better job of setting up Duncan and the outside shooters on the Spurs, IMO.
Whoever claimed that Parker would average 28 ppg on the Hornets is a clueless moron. When you are surrounded by great shooters that can't be left open and a big guy that demands double teams your assists and points are going to skyrocket. Don't ever underestimate how much better Parkers supporting cast is. IMO, Parker would average a shade over 20 ppg and 4-5 apg as a Hornet, and Paul would average 20 ppg and 10 apg as a Spur.
Great shooters? The only consistent 3pt shooters the Spurs have are Brent and Bowen. Michael Finley has been very streaky and Manu has been completely off. It can be argued that with David West and Peja, Parker could do the same because West has a better touch on the top of the key than Duncan and Peja is one of the premier 3pt shooters in the league. Besides, Tony Parker is not the first option on the Spurs, whereas he would be on the Hornets, and seeing as how he averages 22+ right now, why would it be inconcieveable to think that he couldn't average 3 more made shots in NO? Why don't you try to think things through a little more before you call someone names, jackass.
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if people werent so focused on doubling and tripling duncan, there is no way in Parker would average 25 ppg and over 50% shooting. parker folds under pressure. when teams actually double team him the way they do other stars in the league, he crumbles. they rarely get a chance to though, because of other things the Spurs do so well, especially having Duncan in the middle. more often than not, when teams apply pressure on him, he makes very bad desicions, turns the ball over, and misses all kinds of shots.
28 ppg? You're the jackass. Why couldn't he score that much? He doesn't have the leagues best post player drawing double and triple teams in N.O., Paul is the one drawing double teams in N.O. Do you really think that Parker could score that much as the primary defensive target on a team? Not shortrun, but for a whole season. Parker is averaging over 20 after 6 games so you can't use that as a bench mark for what he would do over a season on a different team, after he does that for a season then you can talk.
And you don't think that the Spurs are the best 3pt shooting team that last 3 or so seasons? Come and get real. Bowen, Barry, Horry, and Manu!!!!!! Who did Paul have shooting the 3 last season?
its nice to see someone that knows how much help Parker truly gets from Duncan.
and while i dont agree that the Spurs are, or have been the best 3pt shooting team, they do hit the open ones, and a lot of big ones, which is what matters most. mainly, they hit them because of defenses that are drawn inside too much by Duncan, and whomever the penetrator is, which basically means 3 or 4 defenders are on the inside (1 on the driver, 2 or 3 on Duncan) so they get a lot of wide open 3's.
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