Notice he hasn't done for Indiana in the playoffs? He played very well off of Tim Duncan for one playoff run, but then so did Jaren ing Jackson, and I may puke if he makes this list at all...
Yeah...AJ, Alvin Robertson, and Terry mings were tough to leave off.People are going to pick at you for not having AJ on the list, but I respect the inclusion of Kenon, who is probably the best Spur most people don't know about. Si was pretty broken by injuries by the time the NBA became a San Antonio fact, which is why many people will flip him out and AJ in to the top 10.
Good list. Not what I would do, but then it's your list.
Alot of people seem to forget just how good Mike Mitc was.
Uh...only two players in NBA history have won more scoring les than Gervin...and one of them credits Gervin with teaching him how to win scoring les.
Their names are Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain.
Zunni...that was pretty much the worst take in the history of Spurs Talk.
Not only is Gervin definitely in the top 3 Spurs of all time....he's arguably in the top 3 shooting guards of all time....ahh it...he's arguably in the top 2 shooting guards of all time.
You could even argue that he was greater at his position than Robinson and Duncan have been at theirs.
Ice not in the top 5? Wait, so Sean Elliott, Manu, and TP are all better than Barkley and Ewing too?
Seriously, have you ever seen Ice play? He's the best midrange shooter I've ever seen. Better than Bird from 12-18 feet out. He was also completely unguardable in transition. Ice was a one of a kind player that the NBA might never see again.
I remember Mike Mitc . He was a bad azz. I don't know if this is way off base but I always thought he was similar to Mark Aguirre.
They were similar sized SFs with a great mid-range games, so yeah, I can definitely see the similarity.
Sorry, you hold that honor with Coyote > DRob.Zunni...that was pretty much the worst take in the history of Spurs Talk.
I know Ice scored. I've acknowledged that. What I have yet to see is someone else acknowledge that that's pretty much all he ing did, and that points were cheap back then when final scores were frequently 135-128.
Sorry, you hold that honor with Coyote > DRob.
So obviously...you weren't here when I "said" that(never said it)...just like you weren't watching the Spurs when Gervin played.
Got it.
Would you mind giving yourself a listerine enema so it won't stink so bad when you talk out of your ass?
I know Ice scored. I've acknowledged that.
What I have yet to see is someone else acknowledge that that's pretty much all he ing did, and that points were cheap back then when final scores were frequently 135-128.
Um...if it's so easy to lead the league in scoring 4 times then how come only 3 other players in NBA history have done it? All of them spending their entire pro careers in the NBA...unlike Gervin, who spent 4 years in the ABA.
And Gervin didn't just score....he scored the best, or among the best, in the league while shooting over 50% for his entire career...as a 2 guard.
I want you to find me a list of 2 guards that scored more than Gervin shooting over 50% for their career...
I assume with your incredible knowledge of NBA history that appears to extend as far back as 3 months ago...it won't take you long at all.
Here's a list of the 50 greatest NBA players...
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Nate Archibald
Paul Arizin
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
Elgin Baylor
Dave Bing
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
Billy Cunningham
Dave DeBusschere
Clyde Drexler
Julius Erving
Patrick Ewing
Walt Frazier
George Gervin
Hal Greer
John Havlicek
Elvin Hayes
Magic Johnson
Sam Jones
Michael Jordan
Jerry Lucas
Karl Malone
Moses Malone
Pete Maravich
Kevin McHale
George Mikan
Earl Monroe
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Robert Parish
Bob Pet
Scottie Pippen
Willis Reed
Oscar Robertson
David Robinson
Bill Russell
Dolph Schayes
Bill Sharman
John Stockton
Isiah Thomas
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Bill Walton
Jerry West
Lenny Wilkens
James Worthy
Obviously these idiots didn't consult with the magnificent intellect known as Zunni before compiling this list, as evidenced by their boneheaded inclusion of George Gervin at the expense of Sean Elliott and others on Zunni's all time greats list like Uwe Blab and Zarko Paspalj.
It's already taken longer than I expected...what with your vast 3 month old catalog of NBA knowledge...
Allow me to make the list for you...
It begins with:
George Gervin...
And it ends with:
George Gervin
And that's it.
So basically, you just labeled the most efficient scoring guard in NBA history as doing nothing but scoring...qualifying you on my list of all time SpursTalk idiots.
Gervin was the most efficient scoring guard in NBA history...regardless of era and how easy the points were to come by in it.
Now apologize to George, then go put some alcohol on that bleeding ass you just got, and then please go fix you ing list so it no longer embarrases Spursfans and SpursTalk. You bag.
Who gives a about 50%? There are PLENTY of guards who outscored him that missed your arbitrary criteria, including MJ, so I threw it out. I'm also not going to limit myself to guards, since Ice converted partway through his career. I'll use any damn swing player I want.
Jordan 32292 49%
Big O 26719 48.5%
Wilkins 26668 46%
English 25613 51%
Miller 25279 47%
Logo 25172 47%
Dantley 23177 54%
Drexler 22192 47%
Ice was 27th best all time at the only thing he did. Laudable, but not deifiable.
If you include his ABA stats he's much higher up the list...Between Alex English and Dominique.
I wish he had stayed. Yeah, he's had a lot of problems since he left but he's not the first player to fade after scoring a big contract. I'd like to think Pop's influence would have kept him in check. We probably would have repeated in 04 if he was still around.
I wouldn't hold his later problems against him. We already know Steve Kerr is going to be higher up on this list. Other than that one game versus Dallas, I can't remember what else he did. Not bashing him, just comparing.
He probably would have been higher (no pun intended) if he hadn't fallen under cocaine's spell his last few years, too.
My point remains. It would be one thing if Gervin's teams were constant playoff flameouts who never went a few rounds deep. They weren't, largely because Gervin made the difference for them. Did the reach the Finals? No. But they still played in 3 conference finals in a 5-year period -- a feat that the Spurs' franchise has only accomplished one other time (1999-2001-2003) with 2 exits at the hands of a Lakers team full of Hall-of-Famers.
Curious how those points haven't been addressed at all.
Count rings if you want as a basis to determine if a sidekick is a better player than a star; I'll take the Iceman's resume and the worldwide recognition of his career as one of the greatest ever as a solid endorsement of my opinion, which is decidedly different than yours.
Noted. However, conference finals used to be the second round. If you go by that, Spurs are an annual fixture.
Except that you didn't just have to beat 7 and 8 seeds to make it to the "second" round in those years.
I think the argument that Gervin didn't play defense has to be tempered by the fact that in general there was less defense in the league. Refs called the games much tighter and we didn't want him to get into foul trouble.
He actually did a pretty good job defending the passing lanes and on help defense, averaging about 1.5 stls/gm and 1.5 blks/gm for most of his career.
Only because less teams made the playoffs and if your record was good enough you got a first round bye.
Very true.
That was my fourth live Spurs game, and man did the roof lift when he hit that! We lost the game, but it was worth it for Jax's clutch 3!
Except that there were no 7 and 8 seeds.
Pssst. The year they almost made it to the Finals...they almost choked it away the round before against Philly, going up 3-1 but backsliding to a game 7. They got lucky one time, but their luck ran out. Those Spurs teams remind me of present day Dallas a Phoenix teams; lots of numbers and excitement, but just a playoff tease and a series extender.
How the is 50% arbitrary? It's a standard of shooting excellence in any era. And furthermore...Gervin's not the 27th best at the only thing he did...he's the 9th best at scoring per game in NBA history....and likely to move back up that list once Shaq and AI tail off.
He als was decent at rebounds, steals and he was an exceptional shotblocker at his position...
On top of that...I repreat...it it's so easy to win ing scoring les, then how come only 3 other players have won as many?
And if it's so easy to do it at 50%....then how come it was just as uncommon in his era as it is now?
Additionally...what the did Manu, Parker and Elliott do that was so much above average for their position?
I love all those guys but I give serious thought to ranking Bruce ahead of Elliott on the all time Spurs SF list.
I could spend hours deconstructing all the wrong in the simple statement you just made....however, there is a decent football game on right now...I will BBL to finish up with you.
If I were you though...I'd just admit you were wrong, horribly wrong, quite possibly more wrong then anyone has been about anything in the entire history of the Universe...that's what I'd do if I were you. But then again...if I were you, I wouldn't be that wrong in the first place.
Best to get out of that hole while you still can....is it really worth not being taken seriously as a poster on this board just to futiley attempt to defend a lousy take that everyone sees as a clear case of talking out of your ass from a position of ignorance? Reconsider before it's too late.
I'm not worreid about your opinion, whott. The 50% IS arbitrary. MJ didn't hit it. Are you seriously saying Ice > MJ? That's what you seem to be implying by staying on that foolish 50%
OMG, did you know that Perdue has a better playoff FG% than Tim OR David? All hail Will!!!
Thanks for that list D!!!! very informative
I remember Chuck and Willie ; Willie could have been an all-star if it wasn't for the injuries
I didn't know Corzine played for the Spurs ; I remember him playing a few seasons with a young Michael Jordan (well, by watching old footage) in Chicago
What about the opinions of the other 6 1/2 billion on this planet?
I figure that other than Parker, Manu and Ellliott's mothers...yours is unique.
The 50% IS arbitrary. MJ didn't hit it.
So because MJ didn't hit it it's arbitrary?
50% means nothing because MJ didn't do it?
In terms of career FG% while being primarily a scorer?Are you seriously saying Ice > MJ?
Why yes, I am...and I can prove it.
There's nothing foolish about 50% FG%...it's long been the demarcation point between very good and excellent. It's not the only thing...but being over it while being an elite scorer certainly qualifies a player as one of the greatest scorers in NBA history...like top 5 at worst....far and above being, merely a scorer and product of his era, as you so ignorantly tried to shoehorn and trivialize.That's what you seem to be implying by staying on that foolish 50%
OMG, did you know that Perdue has a better playoff FG% than Tim OR David? All hail Will!!!
You are the one with the like argument using playoff success to rate players over others...not I.
You mock your own stupidity...not mine.
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