Numbers I want to share.

[Marcus Bryant]

I think this says it all:

No High School - 4%

Bush - 46%
Kerry - 53%
Nader - 1%

So basically those who are pompous enough to believe they can run our lives due to their self-assumed intellectual superiority and those who are stupid enough to trust them vote Democrat. Thanks for reminding me.

I would also like to point out that if you feel that those with a postgraduate education possess worthy opinions why are so many of them are stuck in low paying academic employment? Surely their great intellectual ability would allow them to attain great financial success.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm tired, disapointed, and just spent after tonight. Oh and my ass is numb because this chair sucks, so let me just sum it up here.

I basically think that the portion of the american population that has gone to grad school is on average more intelligent than the portion that has not. Not in every case, but overall I think they are.

I think most polls are crap, including exit polls but when there are large margins, they are usually more accurate than when there are smaller margins.

Put those two together, and I think that these numbers tell us something.

Now, I'm going to go pass out. Night es.

[Brodels]

So, are you trying to argue that the portion of the population with Graduate school experience is on average equal in intelligence to the nation that does not?

Because I think that's bull .

I'm arguing that those with graduate school experience are equally qualified to make judgements on political matters. Please explain to me how a history graduate student in a non-political field, for instance, learns anything more about politics than a barber.

Those without graduate degrees generally have more real world working experience. Given that, it's aguable that those without graduate degrees live under the conditions that teach them the things they need to make proper political decisions.

You have to look at individual situations.

And by the way, being trained in a certain area in graduate school does not necessarily make you more intelligent than anyone else. It simply isn't the case.

[Brodels]

I'm tired, disapointed, and just spent after tonight. Oh and my ass is numb because this chair sucks, so let me just sum it up here.

I basically think that the portion of the american population that has gone to grad school is on average more intelligent than the portion that has not. Not in every case, but overall I think they are.

I think most polls are crap, including exit polls but when there are large margins, they are usually more accurate than when there are smaller margins.

Put those two together, and I think that these numbers tell us something.

Now, I'm going to go pass out. Night es.

Even if you think that, how does intelligence make one a better judge on political matters?

[whottt]

MB gets it.

Plus, I think the majority of Americans vote for the candidate not by party affiliation. History shows America does a pretty good job of picking the right guy.

Besides, who says smarter and higher education is always better?

Sometimes you just need a guy that has balls and common sense...specifically in a war.

And I know a lot of very intelligent people that are ing whackos that would never get my vote in a million years. I'd say that some of the craziest people I know are also some of the smartest.

[MannyIsGod]

or you know, maybe just sometime you want the intelligent person who can keep you OUT of wars.

, I'm really going to bed now, REALLY.

[Brodels]

or you know, maybe just sometime you want the intelligent person who can keep you OUT of wars.

, I'm really going to bed now, REALLY.

?

Huh?

[whottt]

or you know, maybe just sometime you want the intelligent person who can keep you OUT of wars.

, I'm really going to bed now, REALLY.

Sometimes you have no choice?

Besides...who you want on your side in a fight Manny? The bookworm or the hick?

In a fight, I'll take the hick....like Audie Murphy or Alvin York.

We're in a fight and there's no going back. Going back will only encourage more terrorism.

[MannyIsGod]

really? I think without those german bookworms in WWII we don't win. Or it at least costs us a of a lot more lives.

Seriously, there are times when you need balls, and I understand that. But I don't chalk up Bush's arrogance as balls. I just don't.

[Brodels]

really? I think without those german bookworms in WWII we don't win. Or it at least costs us a of a lot more lives.

Seriously, there are times when you need balls, and I understand that. But I don't chalk up Bush's arrogance as balls. I just don't.

If you don't have a graduate degree, how do you know that people with graduate degrees make better political decisions? If you really think that people with graduate degrees are smarter, you can't possibly be qualified to speak on this matter if you're not at their level of intelligence.

[MannyIsGod]

You have problems with the phrase on average.

I've forgotten how special of a skill reading comprehension is.

[Spurminator]

Some people are smart enough to make a good living without 12 years of school.

[Brodels]

You have problems with the phrase on average.

I've forgotten how special of a skill reading comprehension is.

So you're telling me that you're above average? You still haven't explained how intelligence in a certain of area translates to an ability to make better political decisions.

Where in graduate school do you learn about politics? If you aren't a political science major, you don't. And even if graduate school makes people more intelligent, which it doesn't necessarily do, how does general intelligence lead to political savvy?

[IcemanCometh]

Really telling, though, Manny? I've a degree & some post-grad work, and Kori has a graduate degree and we support Bush. Where do you fit in those numbers?

you're women tho so its expected

[SpursWoman]

What? Supporting Bush?


Of course. It's in the Secret Circle of Sisterhood handbook.

[CrazyOne]

I can tell you from experience that greater intelligence is closer to madness... but that's just us.

[Jimcs50]

It is widely accepted that in the world of acedemia, liberals are in the majority. Just look at our professors in our colleges.....this is not news, Manny.

More telling, are the numbers of the really uneduacated, they voted for Kerry in much larger numbers, because they think they will get govt handouts. These are truly the moronic people in the country. These are the ones that tried to elect Kerry....are you proud of that???

[Shelly]

Well, my husband with his post graduate always voted Republican.

[Jimcs50]

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Well, my husband with his post graduate always voted Republican.

Me too, but I will not always vote Republican, I will look at both candidates very closely before just blindly voting GOP. I came very close to voting for Clinton against Dole. If the Dems give us a viable candidate that seems like he has a clear vision for this country and has a congressional record that is exemplary, un-like Kerry's, then I would vote for him over a weak GOP candidate. (Bush)

[CosmicCowboy]

The last one is the one that stands out for me. The most educated people in America have a clear cut decision.

I observed a clear cut difference in grad students when I was in college that in my experience tracked those numbers...

about 40% were hard working, motivated people typically putting themselves through grad school to better themselves...forum dwellers that I know that fall into this category would be Kori, SpursWoman, Travis, SamuraiJane, and Marcus to name a few...I apologize if I missed anyone...

The rest were what we used to call "professional students"...they didn't know what they wanted to do, didn't want to work, and the only reason they stayed in school is because their parents were paying for them to stay in school and it was a much easier track than gettting out and taking care of themselves...many of these professional students were so enamored with the insulated university lifestyle that they just stayed on after graduation and went into academia...creating a whole campus culture of worthless piece of "intelligencia" professors...these leeches live off of grants and endowments etc. and couldn't make a living in the real world to literally save their life.


Theres your 57%...

[Brodels]

So nobody has really come up with an answer to this question yet:

How does intelligence in a certain area translate to an ability to make better political decisions?

Where in graduate school do you learn about politics? If you aren't a political science major, you don't. And even if graduate school makes people more intelligent, which it doesn't necessarily do, how does general intelligence lead to political savvy?

[CommanderMcBragg]

I don't think a degree is any indication of a person's intelligence.
I've known some pretty dumb people with degrees and some pretty smart ones without degrees.
Also some dumb people with no education.
Common sense is where it's at.
While the majority may have wanted Bush there were quite a few that wanted Kerry and that says a lot.

[Samurai Jane]

So nobody has really come up with an answer to this question yet:

How does intelligence in a certain area translate to an ability to make better political decisions?

Where in graduate school do you learn about politics? If you aren't a political science major, you don't. And even if graduate school makes people more intelligent, which it doesn't necessarily do, how does general intelligence lead to political savvy?

You don't.. in grad school you aren't even forced to take the required government & history classes like you are as an undergrad.

[Shelly]

link


Claim: Study finds that persons of lower intelligence are more likely to support President George W. Bush.

Status: False.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2004]

"Stupid people love Bush" new study proves

According to the prestigious Southern California think tank, The Gluton Group, stupid people prefer President George W Bush over Senator John Kerry by a 4-to-1 margin. As Chief Resident Dr. Louis Friend characterized the results of the research, "the less intelligent you are, the more you like Bush." This landmark study, conducted over a 5 month period, involved 2400 likely voters bridging all economic stratas in the 17 states generally considered up for grabs on November 2nd. Participants were tested for intelligence, then asked to fill out a 12 page series of questions involving the Presidential candidates with results released earlier this week.

Article link


Origins: Every election cycle brings its share of subtle (and not-so-subtle) humor pieces proclaiming that measurements have determined one candidate's intelligence to be much higher than another's, or George W. Bush that studies have found supporters of a particular candidate or party are, in general, significantly smarter as a group than supporters of the opposite party. It seems no satirical article that makes reference to a "study" (usually conducted by a fic ious academic or political group), no matter how broadly written, won't be mistaken by some readers for a valid news report. (A similar item from 2001 fooled many a news publication and is still occasionally cited as a genuine by gullible reporters.)

The item excerpted above provides plenty of clues that it is satirical in nature (and about whom it's satirizing): Besides its general premise regarding a supposedly inverse relationship between intelligence and support for President Bush, it also notes that persons with IQs in the 60-80 range are more likely to support Dale Earnhardt, Jr. (a NASCAR driver) than Senator John Kerry in the presidential election, that there is a "direct correlation between the number of preset Country Western stations on car radios and Bush's approval rating," and that "Bush supporters argue against [polls predicting an Electoral College tie] because the word College angers them."

This article is in fact the work of politic satirist Will Durst, a 9 September 2004 example of one of the columns he publishes on a semi-weekly basis.

Last updated: 1 November 2004

[MannyIsGod]

for the record, I didn't reference that article or any other false articles or studies in this thread. I used exit polls.