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    Drew Gooden thinks he's dirty.


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    Re: Is Terry a dirty player?

    if he is he should try to distance himself from dirk...although bruce might be able to get him some soap and DEODRANT!

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    I have never seen Bowen have an intention to hurt someone. Ever. The league bases the suspensions on intention. So whether or not you or anyone thinks Bowen is dirty is as valuable as a pile of .
    One, who jumps up to block a shot and KICKS their feet out in midair? Nobody, that's why Wally got kicked in the face cause he didn't expect such a cheap ass play. Bowen slides his feet under players when they shoot and whether it's "intentional" or not, he should've figured out after Vince Carter wanted to kill him that it's obviously annoying/dangerous but he continues to do it, so yes, he DOES have the intention of injuring players.

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    No. He just lost his temper at the wrong time.
    I would have to agree with that. Everyone loses their temper. Bowen kicked Ray when he lost his temper. It happens. Neither players are dirty. Id LOVE to have BOTH guys on my team if I wear a coach or GM in the NBA.

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    I don't know how anyone can possibly think it's intentional based on TWO incidents! Accidents happen all the time. NBA players know there are risks involved in playing this sport. I don't think for a second that Bruce is dirty or that he is doing this intentionally just cuz TWO incidents have occured. Bruce prides himeself on working hard and achieving goals the right way. Plus he is the best defender in the league right now, so he does not NEED to hurt people intentionally to win. I understand if he was a bad defender, then maybe he could intentionally hurt people in order to win. But he's a fantastic defender, so there is no need at all for him to play dirty!

    Plus Pop and the Spurs organization would not tolerate having a dirty player...The organization is based on good character players...In San Antonio, good character is just as important as talent...

    So for those who actually are debating over whether Bruce is doing this intentionally or not, just look at the statistics...A player is bound to have a couple of incidents over a period of a couple of years...Pop made a good point in mentioning all the other players that have caused such injuries, and yet they are not put on the spotlight...Why you ask? Because Bruce is the better defender out of all those other guys, and because he frustrates players the most with his tenacity...He's relentless and just won't give the superstar players their shots so easily. That's why Ray Allen and Vince Carter are whinning...They're not getting their way. They actually have to WORK to get a shot...Plus as I recall, in 2005 playoffs, Ray began whinning about Bruce and saying he is dirty BEFORE the game!!! I mean who whines before the game???

    Just because some big names are complaining, Bruce is the subject of controversy. If Ray Allen/Vince Carter were complaining about some other player, then that player would also be in the spotlight...

    But I think regardless of how you feel about Bowen, statistics do not lie. TWO accidents in no way mean Bowen is doing so intentionally...And secondly, he's good enough to win without hurting other players, and just look at his character, it's not in him to harm others...it's just not. Bowen prides himself on being a good role model for children...Even after the Ray kick, he had apologized and had admitted his mistake...Unlike Jason Terry last year, who claimed that he never touched Michael Finley to begin with!!!

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    Believe. HeatOwnzNba's Avatar
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    I don't think he was trying to hurt finley when he
    punched him in the nuts last year, he was just
    trying to cop a feel.

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    I think a dirty defines someone that intensionally trys to hurt someone without being provoked. Bowen is the perfect example of that type of player.

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    Bruce has undercut shooters 7200 times as a starter.

    It's a fact!

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    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    Dirk has taken out two Spurs by being under them while they were in the air.

    Dirk was not provoked.

    Dirk intentionally did it because I said so.

    Dirk is dirty.

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    Dirk has taken out two Spurs by being under them while they were in the air.

    Dirk was not provoked.

    Dirk intentionally did it because I said so.

    Dirk is dirty.
    Since lying no longer requires intentional deception, then one's intention is no longer important in this discussion.

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    Since lying no longer requires intentional deception, then one's intention is no longer important in this discussion.
    Are you saying I can't tell if what Dirk did was intentional?

    That I'm being arbitrary saying it was definitely intentional?

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    Are you saying I can't tell if what Dirk did was intentional?

    That I'm being arbitrary saying it was definitely intentional?
    I'm just saying that the word lying used to include the idea of intentionally deceiving someone.


    If I believe something and I say it and it turns out not to be true, then I am not lying. I said something false, but I did not lie since I did it unknowingly or unintentionally.

    So, if I see a farmer, see that he still has cows, have been informed reliably that in the past he had milk, why am I a liar if I say that I believe that he has milk (supposing that I actually believe this)? In any event, the farmer still has cows, so even if he does not have a stockpile of milk, he has the cows and the knowhow, so the lack of milk is not much of a problem, is it (since the dual use facilities can produce milk or something less toxic either one, whenever I want and less supervision is around)?


    Assuming the worst about other people is usually the product of being a low character person. Just cuz you're evil, doesn't mean everyone else is.
    People can be mistaken without lying.

    I recognize that you are replacing Bruce with Dirk and you are making the same point that I am in a different way, how do people know that Bruce did this intentionally.

    I am just tired of people poisoning the discussion by assuming without proof that people with whom they disagree are operating in bad faith. And I would say that I am moderately liberal in my political outlook. So, it's not like I have a deep desire to support the other side. But let's give up this poisoning the well of public discussion.

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    How is exposing the enormous flaw in your argument poisoning the well?

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    he definitely is, he doesn't shower

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    I think a dirty defines someone that intensionally trys to hurt someone without being provoked. Bowen is the perfect example of that type of player.
    Players who call Bruce dirty = sissies ; Kobe, T-Mac, Peja, Wade love playing against Bruce and respect him

    And Bruce never kicked anyone's balls (right, Jason Terry?) ; he never made a flagrant foul on a player going all the way to the basket (right, Stackhouse?)

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    How is exposing the enormous flaw in your argument poisoning the well?

    I don't see an enormous flaw in the argument I presented.

    I will give you an example of a theorem from General Topology (graduate versionie. for graduate math students pursuing their M.S. in math) that I proved for class last time.

    Theorem 5.3: A subspace Y of a space X is disconnected if and only if there exist open sets U and V in X such that U n V does not equal the empty set, V intersect Y does not equal the empty set, U intersect V intersect Y does equal the empty set and Y is a subset of U union V.

    I proved this using previous theorems and logic. Had there been any flaw in the logic, the proof would not have held. It did.


    The point that I am making is that people should not assume the worst about other people. I think that is a reasonable proposition. Certainly, you can't prove it formally to be false.

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    I don't see an enormous flaw in the argument I presented.
    Then my argument is flawless and perfect.

    Thanks.

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    How is exposing the enormous flaw in your argument poisoning the well?

    How exactly?

    Will you use proof by contradiction, indirect proof or direct proof?

    This is a general proposition:

    You seem to think that it is okay to assume the worst about other people and to assume without proof that they are operating in bad faith all the time.

    I do not agree with that proposition.

    How will you prove this universal proposition? Will you use proof by exhaustion and examine every case?

    Do you believe that there exist moral absolutes?
    How does one discover what they are?
    Epistemology and ontology questions for you await.


    I suggest you approach the deep end of the pool with some caution.

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    I suggest you take another look at whose post mine followed.

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    Then my argument is flawless and perfect.

    Thanks.

    You're funny.

    I suppose that you are reduced to this when you are unable to support your proposition.

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    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    I am funny. Both your screen names start with Mav.

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    I suggest you take another look at whose post mine followed.
    Are you being serious?

    Or are you just saying things regardless of whether they make sense?



    The main point that I am trying to is the following: Let's not assume that other people are operating it bad faith without proof.



    A corollary might be that : it is difficult to prove that somebody is lying: you must prove that they intentionally state something that they know is false.

    The key is intention and knowledge must be established.

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    I am funny. Both your screen names start with Mav.
    Chumpdumper, I am themanurules.
    Manu is playing better, but he is not ruling right now. No rules are needed to adjust to him right now.

    However, it is true that Mavs<Spurs which is equivalent to Spurs>Mavs.

    So, I have adopted this name.

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    Players who call Bruce dirty = sissies ; Kobe, T-Mac, Peja, Wade love playing against Bruce and respect him

    And Bruce never kicked anyone's balls (right, Jason Terry?) ; he never made a flagrant foul on a player going all the way to the basket (right, Stackhouse?)
    I guess the majority of the nba are sissies than. They don't like landing on Bowen's foot because Bowen intentionally steps into them.

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    I think that Chumpdumper is drunk.

    Celebrating before the win???


    Well, we should have confidence since the Spurs are the best team in the NBA and the Rockets demolished the Mavs.

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