Tim Duncan is the best basketball player in the world

[td4mvp21]

I really Like Duncan. I enjoy him as a player. I just don't think Kareem and Duncan should be used in the same blog. Specially one thats le is "Tim Duncan is the best basketball player in the world". Kareem is a legend and maybe Duncan will be known as that someday. Yes I am a typical Laker Fan, whatever that means. Living in SA has been hard for my 6 year old. We love our lakers and represent in every city we have lived in but San Antonians need to be more respectful towards all other NBA fans, including young kids.

Dude, Duncan already is a legend. I think most non Spurs fans would admit that.

[Rummpd]

A very valid arguement can be made that Kareem is the very best player ever to play basketball looking at both this college and pro career. Surely if nothing else, he had the most unstoppable shot ever.

That being said Duncan is one of the few players that when all is said and done belongs on the same court with him.

[JamStone]

Jamstone is just mad cuz his team may not make the playoffs.

Zach Randolph does not have the credentials prima facie to even be brought up: (e.g. never even considered as an mvp candidate before (if he was this good this year, in some previous year, probably he would have been considered), not an all star (if he were this good, he would have been selected as an all star recently), not first team defense all NBA ...). Zach can score the ball pretty well. He does not make his team better like Tim Duncan does and he is not the great defensive player that Tim Duncan is. The Blazers had basically one primary scoring option. Hence, Zach had to try to score almost every time, if he could. The Spurs have multiple scoring options, Parker, Manu, Barry, Finley in addition to Tim Duncan. The Spurs share the ball more. Hence, Tim does not have to try to put up huge numbers every game.

So, Jamstone is saying something ridiculous for reasons I can't even guess.

Let's look at 2 way players: Garnett, Kobe, Artest and that is about it.
Wade and LeBron are not yet really two way players. Others are not good enough. Of the true two way players, Duncan is clearly the best. Bill Simmons quote is sufficient: If Tim Duncan plays 75-80 games, the Spurs will make the playoffs. The same cannot be said about Kevin Garnett. Kobe clearly does not elevate his team like Tim does (look for example at 2003 when he had little help because of David's back and the others had not yet emerged). Artest gives teams such a poor chemistry, is not good in terms of shot selection and is just not as good a player as Duncan.

Clearly, Nash is out by now. If we consider Wade and LeBron or even Dirk, then we are looking at one way players. Moreover, they are not playing as well this year as they did last year, in my opinion. Besides, defense is just as important as offense and Tim clearly outclasses them in defense by a mile.

I guess I need to use these little smiley faces more often, otherwise DOLTS like you don't know the difference between a sarcastic joke and a serious comment.

[ShoogarBear]

A very valid arguement can be made that Kareem is the very best player ever to play basketball looking at both this college and pro career. Surely if nothing else, he had the most unstoppable shot ever.

That being said Duncan is one of the few players that when all is said and done belongs on the same court with him.

Kareem is the greatest college player of all time, bar none.

[whottt]

If Kareem was so great in the NBA how come he had a couple of seasons where his team finished in last ing place, and failed to win a le anytime he didn't have a guy who either was, or would be, the All Time Leader in assists as his point guard and 1st or 2nd all time in triple doubles...

Cmon suckers....use the Timmy carried Drob logic on this one.


Number of les Kareem won without Oscar Robertson or Magic Johnson as his ing pointguards: = 0


Multiple last place division finishes in seasons he was healthy, without them.

Now get down on your knees and kiss David Robinson's ass and say thank gawd you were a San Antonio Spur.


And this includes you Dumpstone and Gartensnake.

[ShoogarBear]

I think Kareem only had one season in last place, but props to whottt for managing to get DRob into the mix.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I guess I need to use these little smiley faces more often, otherwise DOLTS like you don't know the difference between a sarcastic joke and a serious comment.

Once again, ad hominem arguments.

[whottt]

False....the Bucks finished in last place in their division the year after Robertson retired(when they had made the finals) and the Lakers had a couple of last place finishes with Kareem prior to drafting Magic Johnson.

Next.............................................. ............


What do Karrem, Hakeem, Shaq and Wilt not have in common with David Robinson?


Getting their asses kicked, failing to have a winning record, and failing to make the playoffs, and sometimes finishing dead last in their divisions,...when they didn't have ing All World Guards on their teams.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I guess I need to use these little smiley faces more often, otherwise DOLTS like you don't know the difference between a sarcastic joke and a serious comment.

Do you insult everybody that you disagree with?

[ShoogarBear]

Getting their asses kicked and failing to make the playoffs...when they didn't have ing All World Guards on their teams.

Just out of curiosity, are you admitting Duncan > Robinson?

[whottt]

Mario Elie = All World Guard


Go on...hate, I dare ya.

[ShoogarBear]

Mario wasn't there for #2.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I guess I need to use these little smiley faces more often, otherwise DOLTS like you don't know the difference between a sarcastic joke and a serious comment.

"i don't know who's being sarcastic and who's being serious in this thread " .

Those weren't my words.
In person, you can tell normally when somebody is making a joke. On a board, we are working with less information. Therefore, in all seriousness, making it clear by using the faces, is not such a bad idea.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Mario Elie = All World Guard


Go on...hate, I dare ya.

I loved it when Mario wagged his finger at the crowd and the other team in the 99 playoffs and didn't he wave when he played for Houston and sent the other team packing (Phoenix right) ?

[whottt]

Mario wasn't there for #2.

Manu was....it was right before he beat Team USA for the Gold Medal in the Olympics...I forget who was on Team USA that year.

Plus there was that Parker guy who is considered untouchable by some fantasy owners...

And hey...Kerr was good enough to get the last shot in a must win finals game on the same team with Michael Jordan, in fact he was good enough to get the ball directly from Jordan...and he is the all time 3 point king.

As opposed to a certain former Spurs PG, who is the all time non 3 point king.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I loved it when Mario wagged his finger at the crowd and the other team in the 99 playoffs and didn't he wave when he played for Houston and sent the other team packing (Phoenix right) ?

Houston - Phoenix was a great series.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Manu was....it was right before he beat Team USA for the Gold Medal in the Olympics...I forget who was on Team USA that year.

Plus there was that Parker guy who is considered untouchable by some fantasy owners...

And hey...Kerr was good enough to get the last shot on the same team with Michael Jordan...he is the all time 3 point king.

Kerr the zone buster.

Kerr, Mario and Horry all seem to have the knack for getting on teams with the best player playing at the time and knocking down key shots.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Manu was....it was right before he beat Team USA for the Gold Medal in the Olympics...I forget who was on Team USA that year.

Plus there was that Parker guy who is considered untouchable by some fantasy owners...

And hey...Kerr was good enough to get the last shot in a must win finals game on the same team with Michael Jordan, in fact he was good enough to get the ball directly from Jordan...and he is the all time 3 point king.

As opposed to a certain former Spurs PG, who is the all time non 3 point king.

You're talking about baseline aren't you. 2 times baseline < tony parker.

[ShoogarBear]

I know you're not part of the Deep End Crew that thinks Manu ~ Magic or Oscar.

Tony Parker? How many three pointers did he hit?

And using the Olympics kind of negates your whole argument.

[whottt]

And before you go to the Rusell card, Bear...it helps to have a HOF PG who just so happens to be the All Time assist leader as your PG.

[whottt]

Tony Parker? How many three pointers did he hit?

Not sure of the total...I just know he tripled the previous Spurs PG's 16 year career playoff total in his first playoff game against Gary Payton as a 19 year old rookie.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I know you're not part of the Deep End Crew that thinks Manu ~ Magic or Oscar.

Tony Parker? How many three pointers did he hit?

And using the Olympics kind of negates your whole argument.

Nobody really believes that, do they.

I love Manu's game and he is a great player, but Magic is the second best player ever imo.

Tony was not a very good three point shooter before. He is average now, on good days.

the official list:

Jordan best, Magic second, Bird third, Russell fourth, Tim Duncan fifth,

[ShoogarBear]

And before you go to the Rusell card, Bear...it helps to have a HOF PG who just so happens to be the All Time assist leader as your PG.

Sure it does.

[whottt]

AJ>Magic, O, Cousy, Cassell, Elie, Manu, Penny, Kobe, Wade and Parker

[whottt]

And Stockton