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J/K Manny, you know I'm just messing
arent his rebounding and block shot numbers up from last year?
Let's remember....if Horry is considered any kind of a threat by the other team they usually can shut him down...he does what he does when the other team forgets about him and think he's under control.
Best just to let Big Shot Rob suck until the other team forgets about him, so he can knife them in the back and steal their rings in the most gutwrenching and surprising fashion humanly possible....
The secret is, Horry can defend, pass, block shots, steal, dunk, jump shoot, post someone up, sky for a rebound, and of course, hit clutch shots and FT's, backed up with one of the best basketball IQ to ever play the game...there is literally nothing he can't do...
...he just doesn't do it until the pressure is at it's highest and he is left for dead.
EG: Oh , I didn't know he could do that/could still do that. How the did we forget about him? I hate Horry.
That's his career summed up in three sentences.
It's what he does.
A decent showing in the 05 playoffs? what? lol...He literally took over the Game 5, fourth quarter and the overtime. And in Game 7, fourth quarter, he was phenomenal...He was what you call, the "intangible" man...doing all the small things...scoring the 3 pointer, rebounding, defending, free throws, etc...That's not just Game 5...it's also Game 7 that was great due to Horry's efforts...
And my point is that Horry is known for truly showing up at the Finals...that's his reputation...You never hear how great he is during regular games...It's like what Tim Duncan has said after the Game 5 thing, he said that he doesn't "really show up" during the regular season, and then when it's an "important" game, he just "turns it on"...
We have Parker, Duncan, Ginobili, Bowen, now Oberto, Barry to handle the regular season phenomenally...We need to save Horry for the Finals...
All it will take is ONE clutch 3, and all this will be forgotten.
If Horry played like this the other night, Dallas would've been smoked. Man f... dallas.
Horry's numbers:
Rebounds Per 40 Minutes
2003-04: 8.4
2004-05: 7.7
2005-06: 8.2
2006-07: 9.2
Blocks Per 40 Minutes
2003-04: 1.5
2004-05: 1.7
2005-06: 1.7
2006-07: 1.7
Assists Per 40 Minutes
2003-04: 3.1
2004-05: 2.3
2005-06: 2.7
2006-07: 3.5
Defensively, he's been off the charts good. Per 48 minutes with Horry on the court, teams average 93.3 points on 43.4% shooting against the Spurs. With Horry off the court, teams average 103.9 points on 50.9%.
Add in the fact that he has by far the highest basketball IQ on the team and I can live with it even if he's not yet knocking down shots at a high rate. I've been hard on Horry in the past for not rebounding and not playing defense, but you can't say that this year. He's doing his part outside of his shooting.
I have no problem eating crow, and if Horry comes up big later on this season, then I'll be just as happy as anyone else. I'm not a Horry hater, I just think the dude is running on fumes.
I don't want a NVE repeat this year. I don't want him to take away from playing time that can go do Elson or Bonner; especially early in the year when we need to see what we have in those 2.
You and I both know that per 40/48 minute stats are useless.
So you think Horry is rebounding less, blocking less shots and playing worse defense than in past years?
NVE = O Rings(and he played with Shaq)
Horry = 6 Rings
Horry always sucks statistically....
NVE never sucked in the regular season like he did last year. WE hoped he was saving it for when it mattered...
Horry's just being Horry. If Horry thought he was finished he'd let Pop know IMO.
Horry>NVE
People can kiss Horry's ass all they want right now. The problem is the last two times that coaches used Horry this much we were treated to his performance in the post-season last year and the last year of him as a Laker, when he had nothing left for the playoffs.
Everyone who is beating off to Horry right now just better not be crying when the guy does nothing for us in the post-season this year.
Pop needs to put Horry on the bench and leave him there until mid-March.
Spoken like a true Aggie...
The fact is Horry got more minutes the year we won the le than he did the other two years...
Remember? Duncan and Rasho were injured?
Now STFU and go compare Nazr to Hakeem or something.
Alright, straight up it's the same ish.
Horry's numbers:
Rebounds
2003-04: 3.4
2004-05: 3.6
2005-06: 3.8
2006-07: 4.1
Blocks
2003-04: 0.6
2004-05: 0.8
2005-06: 0.8
2006-07: 0.8
Assists
2003-04: 1.2
2004-05: 1.1
2005-06: 1.3
2006-07: 1.6
Horry is playing less minutes than he did the last two years.
Umm .. He's playing less minutes this year than he did in 2004-05 when he had a lot left in the post season. Don't compare the last year of the Lakers to any time as a Spur.
He played 30 mpg in that season. And he's averaged 16/19/19/17 minutes in his 3+ years as a Spur.
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Overall, the good news is the Spurs have three bigs that Pop has had confidence in ending games with so far. Pop NEVER let Nazr or Rasho end games. He's already gone with Horry, Oberto and Elson at different times in the fourth.
So if Horry gets injured or still can't shoot come playoff time, at least the Spurs have options.
Horry's minutes during his Spurs career:
Code:Yr G GS MPG 03-04 Sas 81 1 15.9 04-05 Sas 75 16 18.6* 05-06 Sas 63 3 18.8
* won NBA Championship
He played the most minutes and made the most starts the year we won the championship....except for when he was injured.
And he started to find his groove when Duncan and Rasho were injured....
Last year he was DNP'ed on back to back and stuff like that all season and never found his game.
I think he needs a good 17 minutes per game PT and to be played in a lot of games, perhaps some games give him some 30-35 minute burn even.
Horry was playing 30 minutes a game his last year in LA.
As for his time with the Spurs...
First year here he played 16 MPG.
Second year he played 18.5 MPG.
Last year he played 19 MPG, and in the playoffs it went up over 20 MPG.
Care to revise?
And I guess you all watched him play against Dallas and thought he looked like he was 25 again, right?
I'm sorry, as old as he is, it's stupid to play him as much as we are right now (25 minutes tonight) for two reasons:
1. He doesn't have much left in the tank
2. He knows how our system works, Elson and Oberto need the run.
and he's only play 17 mpg this year. AHF is acting like he's playing 30 for some reason.
^^^^^Look up...
Would you?
I know one ever mentions this...but his hand was hurt the year we played LA in the playoffs and he sucked. He hurt it towards the end of the season.
How the are you calling Whottt out? You are the one who said something grossly inaccurate.
"This much" is 17 mpg, which is relatively the same he's been playing since he was a Spur. There's no correlation to what you are saying.
03-04 - 16+mpg - no le
04-05 - 18.6 mpg - le - 20+mpg in playoffs
05-06 - 18.8 mpg - no le - ~25mpg in playoffs
The Spurs have always played Horry about this much and it has had no correlation to him being ready for the playoffs or not.
And Horry played 27 MPG in 2004-05 playoffs.
Part of the problem last year is the Spurs never got Horry in rhythm. If you remember the 2004-05 regular season, he had some huge games down the stretch and that carried into the playoffs.
I'd actually like to see Horry's minutes go above 20 MPG after the All-Star break to keep him in shape and get him going. At worst, Oberto can finish games in the playoffs.
But a healthy and on target Horry >>>>>>>>> any other option next to Tim.
He's up to 19 minutes a game over the last 10, and if tonight's any indication he's going to be playing 20+ a night.
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