Oberto and Barry are saving our asses . . . for now

[ShoogarBear]

It's the new ball.... it is more like the FIBA version.....

This post makes more sense than a lot of the other followups in here.

[ShoogarBear]

Yeah yeah, Shoog.

I get the point that Fab and Brent aren't going to shoot those high percentages all season. But Fin, Manu, Beno etc aren't going to shoot those low percentages all season either. So when the Spurs offense balances out and the defense becomes more consistent, then they won't need Oberto and Barry to save their asses.

Things are fine in Spursland.

Didn't you hear? Oberto is going to be shooting 70% all year!

And the only time Brent Barry misses a shot is on plays where Pop doesn't use him correctly!

I don't think FinManBenHor are going to shoot a combined 35% (or whatever) all year. But I wouldn't be totally shocked if, for different reasons, they end up a combined 40-42% for the year. You could construct perfectly realistic scenarious whereby each one ends up with close to his worst shooting year. Finley and Horry may end up being this years' NVE's. Manu may never feel good. Beno may continue to Benocize himself.

Let's just say it's far more likely that Barry and Oberto come back down to earth than it is that all four of those guys get their act together.

[Ariel]

I don't think FinManBenHor are going to shoot a combined 35% (or whatever) all year. But I wouldn't be totally shocked if, for different reasons, they end up a combined 40-42% for the year. You could construct perfectly realistic scenarious whereby each one ends up with close to his worst shooting year. Finley and Horry may end up being this years' NVE's. Manu may never feel good. Beno may continue to Benocize himself.

Let's just say it's far more likely that Barry and Oberto come back down to earth than it is that all four of those guys get their act together.

Yes, but you're blowing it out of proportion. Manu, Finley, Horry and Beno combined are taking 2.5 times as many shots as Brent and Fabricio do, so to offset a 20% decline in the accuracy of the latter group, the former would have to increase their effectiveness by 8%, which sounds more than reasonable considering their combined 36% shooting. And that's not even considering that the difference in attempts would undoubtedly go up should the first group improve and the second decline, because when you have a smart team and coach, effectiveness is directly related to protagonism.

To sum it up, though possible, it's highly unlikely such scenario presents itself. I think the point is valid, but you're overreaching.

[ShoogarBear]

Thanks for actually crunching the numbers, 'cause I was too lazy to do it.

What I'm proposing is that a 20% decline may possibly be matched by only a 4-5% increase, which would result in an overall net loss. Not saying that's what will happen, but it wouldn't be unbelievable if that's how it ended up. And sure those points could be made up by increased productivity from Tim or Tony.

[Martin R]

No I'm not 13, dumbass. Its like Ariel said, a player will get minutes when he shows he will do something with them. Last year he did nothing of the sort. i understand he was adjusting to the NBA, and his minutes were limited. Its understandable, but again, don't come in here like this Oberto is the Oberto we've been seeing for years now, because its bull .

Anytime a player makes the transition from FIBA to NBA there is a chance they won't pan out. Last year it looked like Oberto was not going to make it. This year is a whole different ballgame, I know. I just think its bull that you seem to make stupid little comments everytime someone acts surprised about how Oberto is playing, as if they don't know about Oberto.

Where are you from Martin?? 'cause I have a growing su ion... I just want to verify it.

first, I am not a dumbass.

Second, I have over 20 years of ACTIVE basketball life. I am actually coaching a team.

Third, you CAN'T say a player "sucked monumentaly" when he didn't get enough minutes to play, not even throwing in here that it was his FIRST NBA year.
By the way, if you look at his numbers, he didn't suck MONUMENTALLY considering he was 47% from the field....

I'm from Argentina and I DID watch MANY Oberto's games LIVE. He is a of a player in the painted zone when he has enough basketball IQ surrounding him.

M

[Marhq]

IIRC Fabricio is averaging something like 63-65% FG for his whole career. I guess that's what MartinR was reffering to when he said that his current numbers were more Oberto-like.

Saludos.

[T Park]

On top of that, Oberto isn't just getting open layups.

Hes making nice moves in the paint, and making jumpshots.

The guy has talent, its not like Jack Haley is out there for goshsakes.

[Ariel]

IIRC Fabricio is averaging something like 63-65% FG for his whole career. I guess that's what MartinR was reffering to when he said that his current numbers were more Oberto-like.

Saludos.

Indeed. Over the course of his ACB career he averaged 63% on 2 pointers. However, I'm guessing the problem here isn't that people didn't know that, but rather that most did and still find it worthy of mention that he has been taking that further at the NBA level. If people were to take a look around, they might find out that there are lots other posters from Argentina (as evidenced by the flags on the profile or the user names...) or other countries related to FIBA basketball who have a pretty damn good idea of who Fabricio is, so assuming lack of knowledge as the only possible explanation for not sharing one's views is somewhat presumptuous.