So why did the Spurs pass on Matt Barnes?

[BeerIsGood!]

Understand. This is precisely why I was against the Finley signing in the first place.

The Spurs got Finley for pennies on the dollar. It was a good signing for the price.

[MannyIsGod]

Finley will hit those shots at some point this year. Players coming to the Spurs with outside jumpers take years to fully acclimate. Look at the history, Kerry didn't hit his stride until the 2nd stint, Barry is playing his best ball now after a couple of seasons, and even though Finley did well torwards the end of the year last season he has periods of inconsistent play.

The Spurs have a luxury at those spots because they are very very deep. When Manu comes back they'll be fine. Bruce has shown signs of getting his shot going as well, so if that starts to happen then they'll be fine. But with Manu out the missed shots become way more apparent out there. I'm amazed some of you are already giving up on Finley, however. He was huge late in the year last year after he struggled for the first half of the season.

Matt Barnes is playing ok now, but I'll believe its for real after an entire season and not before.

[Kori Ellis]

Matt Barnes is playing ok now, but I'll believe its for real after an entire season and not before.

The Spurs interest in Barnes in the past was all about defense. He's a scrappy defender and has the tools to become very good. His offense is streaky and probably always will be.

He's a very very hard worker though and can probably find a place as a role player.

[SenorSpur]

The Spurs interest in Barnes in the past was all about defense. He's a scrappy defender and has the tools to become very good. His offense is streaky and probably always will be.

He's a very very hard worker though and can probably find a place as a role player.

Why not here? That's all I'm saying. This guy probably wouldn't have cost no more than the $1 mil that Finley is currently receiving.

It's all about production. Finley isn't producing and, after a fine playoff series versus the Mavericks, he has seemingly morphed back into that "one-trick pony" version that I saw playing for Dallas the last 3-4 years. I'm not saying he's not a hard worker or even a psuedo-team leader, but his best days are clearly behind him.

I would just like to see the Spurs stop passing up hard working, up-and-coming guys like Barnes in lieu of older, washed-up players. Seems only natural if they're changing philosophies that they should start incorporating some younger, cheaper. and more athletic talent at the perimeter positions.

The vaunted Spurs defense that was so much a symbol of past championship teams is now taking a severe hit as the team is allowing teams to shoot a higher FG% than in recent years. Some of that can be attributed to the lack of perimeter and transition defense. Outside of Bowen, they have no one to guard the virtual smorgasbord of swingmen they face each night.

All I know is that Barnes is contributing NOW (on both ends) as a key rotation player on an inferior GS team that could be vying for a playoff spot. I refuse to believe that he couldn't help the Spurs had they took a chance on him.

[MannyIsGod]

Why not here? That's all I'm saying. This guy probably wouldn't have cost no more than the $1 mil that Finley is currently receiving.

It's all about production. Finley isn't producing and, after a fine playoff series versus the Mavericks, he has seemingly morphed back into that "one-trick pony" version that I saw playing for Dallas the last 3-4 years. I'm not saying he's not a hard worker or even a psuedo-team leader, but his best days are clearly behind him.

I would just like to see the Spurs stop passing up hard working, up-and-coming guys like Barnes in lieu of older, washed-up players. Seems only natural if they're changing philosophies that they should start incorporating some younger, cheaper. and more athletic talent at the perimeter positions.

The vaunted Spurs defense that was so much a symbol of past championship teams is now taking a severe hit as the team is allowing teams to shoot a higher FG% than in recent years. Some of that can be attributed to the lack of perimeter and transition defense. Outside of Bowen, they have no one to guard the virtual smorgasbord of swingmen they face each night.

All I know is that Barnes is contributing NOW (on both ends) as a key rotation player on an inferior GS team that could be vying for a playoff spot. I refuse to believe that he couldn't help the Spurs had they took a chance on him.

Because the Spurs aren't rebuilding? I think you're on crack if you thinking having a Matt Barnes for 1 million over a Finley for one million is the best choice for one of the top 3 teams in the leauge. Did you see a bidding war between Pheonix, Miami and San Antonio for Matt Barnes? No, and there is a reason for that. Finely showed you that reason last year in the playoffs.

For every Matt Barnes who makes it as a ROLE player in this leauge, there are 10 others who don't. Projects are just that, projects and teams that aren't in serious contention have the luxury of trying out several project players and giving them serious minutes which is a crucial part of development. If the Spurs had kept Matt Barnes there is no guarntee that he would be playing at the same level he is currently in Golden State. But to look back and to say the Spurs should have gotten Barnes instead of Finley is foolish at best.

At this point in time there is no way I would trade Finley for Barnes; much less would have thought to do that last year.

[SenorSpur]

Because the Spurs aren't rebuilding? I think you're on crack if you thinking having a Matt Barnes for 1 million over a Finley for one million is the best choice for one of the top 3 teams in the leauge. Did you see a bidding war between Pheonix, Miami and San Antonio for Matt Barnes? No, and there is a reason for that. Finely showed you that reason last year in the playoffs.

For every Matt Barnes who makes it as a ROLE player in this leauge, there are 10 others who don't. Projects are just that, projects and teams that aren't in serious contention have the luxury of trying out several project players and giving them serious minutes which is a crucial part of development. If the Spurs had kept Matt Barnes there is no guarntee that he would be playing at the same level he is currently in Golden State. But to look back and to say the Spurs should have gotten Barnes instead of Finley is foolish at best.

At this point in time there is no way I would trade Finley for Barnes; much less would have thought to do that last year.

Nobody said the Spurs were rebuilding. I'm talking about what is the best fit for the Spurs at this time in the midst of a changing philosophy. I've already given Fin all the props in the world for the series he had versus Dallas.

Personally, I don't give a about any bidding war for Finley nor do I care about revisionist history with regards to Fin. This league is about production.
I stated a while back that Finley was a one-trick pony when he signed and thus far this season, he's proven to be just that. You're on crack if you think of him in any other way.

But since you brought it up smart guy, tell me what exactly is Finley giving the Spurs at this time?

Another thing, you points would be better received if you'd learn how to spell.

[ChumpDumper]

playoffs notwithstanding.

They withstand pretty well actually.

[MannyIsGod]

Nobody said the Spurs were rebuilding. I'm talking about what is the best fit for the Spurs at this time in the midst of a changing philosophy. I've already given Fin all the props in the world for the series he had versus Dallas.

Personally, I don't give a about any bidding war for Finley nor do I care about revisionist history with regards to Fin. This league is about production.
I stated a while back that Finley was a one-trick pony when he signed and thus far this season, he's proven to be just that. You're on crack if you think of him in any other way.

But since you brought it up smart guy, tell me what exactly is Finley giving the Spurs at this time?

Another thing, you points would be better received if you'd learn how to spell.

The first sign of a weak argument is going after something as irrelevent as the spelling in the post.

I have a question for you, do you think Barnes will go through a slump at any point this year?

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, and nothing says "I can spell" better than this:

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I guess it is prudent to go back and make sure your glass house is a bit sturdier after you start throwing rocks.

[Bruno]

So Matt Barnes plays 3 good games and he is the next Kobe ?
Barnes is an average role player who is still 26 years old and has played for 6 teams these in slighty more than 3 season : the classic journeyman who isn't good enough to secure a spot with a team.

A Barnes-like player can be usefull for Spurs but there are at least 20 players as good as him available for cheap. I guess that Spurs will decide if they sign/trade one around the trade deadline. Their decision will be based on :
- Future matchups in playoffs ? If Houston, Denver, Cleveland are great, Spurs will need more a long/strong SF.
- State of Spurs roster : Will Eric WIlliams be in shape ?
- Luxury tax situation.
- Roster spot situtation.
- Is there a "quality" long/strong SF available via a trade or a FA. I like Chumpdumper's idea of Jamar Smith : good rebounder, good defender and he has made the training camp with Spurs. If he plays well at SF in DLeague, he can be a good solution.

[Mr. Body]

- State of Spurs roster : Will Eric WIlliams be in shape ?

No.

[Bruno]

No.

Thanks. Can you too tell me what will be the numbers for tomorrow national lottery, Nostradamus ?

[SenorSpur]

The first sign of a weak argument is going after something as irrelevent as the spelling in the post.

I have a question for you, do you think Barnes will go through a slump at any point this year?

Of course, Barnes will go through a slump. Look I not selling Barnes as the "cure all, end all" for the Spurs. I brought up this subject of this guy because it's obvious the Spurs had some passing interest in him previously. From the looks of what I saw the other night, he's developed to the point that he's obviously got some tool that the Spurs could sorely use at this point.

Combine that with what they're getting (or not getting) from Finley and you have the basis for this thread.

[MannyIsGod]

Of course, Barnes will go through a slump. Look I not selling Barnes as the "cure all, end all" for the Spurs. I brought up this subject of this guy because it's obvious the Spurs had some passing interest in him previously. From the looks of what I saw the other night, he's developed to the point that he's obviously got some tool that the Spurs could sorely use at this point.

Combine that with what they're getting (or not getting) from Finley and you have the basis for this thread.

That sir, is a fairly weak base. Finley's production post AS break > Barnes November production.

[SenorSpur]

That sir, is a fairly weak base. Finley's production post AS break > Barnes November production.

You're en led to your opinion.