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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    Secure borders, social security, homes for the homeless, eyes for the blind, ears for the deaf................why even bring this up Yoni?

    He can never makeup for what he's done.

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    2nd Verse Same as the 1st Oh, Gee!!'s Avatar
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    Guys, let Yoni have his fun; it's been a rough few months him. Denial is a stage of grief, and Yoni, bless his heart, is dealing best way he can.

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    And, as for the specific items mentioned by GGA;

    Social Security reform: Obstructed by Democrats.

    Securing the borders: Obstructed by Democrats.

    The president's attempts to bring unity to the capitol: Obstructed by Democrats.

    The president's attempts to bring civility to the capitol: Obstructed by Democrats.

    By breaking the promise of fully implementing the 9/11 commission's recommendations before they've even taken office they certainly can't claim Republican obstructionism, can they?


    The Dems are simply doing now what the Reps did back then. It still amazes me how voters waffle between parties based on empty promises that they will not do what the previous group did, then turn around and do it. This cyclical behavior by politicians will live in perpetuity.

    IMO though, I think this time around the Dems took advantage of the personal issues of Reps and the struggles in the WH to proclaim the dawning of a new day. All elections tweak this angle, but to me it seems like they hit it fairly harder than normal this year.
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    My point was that neither party holds a patent on failed election trail promises. It seems that with all of our rhetoric as voters regarding choosing the lesser of the two evils, the politicians have realized that getting elected is really only about not being as bad/evil/stupid/unethical as your opposition.

    I have a good friend here in town that is a lawyer who is heavily involved in the RNP. His wife is a lawyer also who was once on staff with a Rep Senator, and every election he is part of the RNP legal team that deals with election day legal issues. Basically, I would consider him a Rep homer, to state the obvious, but when even he makes comments that our party let us down this last election, that carries some weight with me.

    I don't want my party to simply be less bad than the opposition. I want them to be able to be elected on their own merits, not on the lack of qualifications in the opponents. They didn't do that this time around, and we as party members should demand that loud and clear to our parties leaders.

    Not saying that I don't have a ton of issues with the Dems, and that they need to get their house in order in a bad way as well, but it is hard to cast stones at this current time. Of course, that never has stopped some Dem supporters, but I am trying to hold myself to a higher standard as well.

    Politicians are like children. They will not do what you expect, they will only do what you inspect.

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    I just think it's telling that Democrats are breaking promises before they even have an opportunity (or an excuse) to break them.

    It's like saying, you voter, Sucker!

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    I just think it's telling that Democrats are breaking promises before they even have an opportunity (or an excuse) to break them.

    It's like saying, you voter, Sucker!
    Don't disagree with you on this one. And they shouldn't get a free pass simply because "the Repugs have been doing that for the last 6 years".

    Man up, grow a pair, and show the country that you are not exactly like the bad people that you replaced.

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    I can't get over how you want us to fail...............wait a minute, where have I heared that?

    Second verse, slightly different from the first.

    I guess noone wants unity.

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    good spelling huh?

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    good spelling huh?
    I was going to ask who noone was and if the had a blog

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    I've heared of noone.

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    They hate us - but they want to be us!
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    I don't want my party to simply be less bad than the opposition. I want them to be able to be elected on their own merits, not on the lack of qualifications in the opponents.
    That is probably the most intelligent thing I've read on this forum in a long time! That pretty much sums up the past election!

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    That is probably the most intelligent thing I've read on this forum in a long time! That pretty much sums up the past election!

    cough... Dems want us to lose in Iraq..cough..cough... we will be less safer if the dems win..cough,cough..

    Oh and how do you know that your roght with that guess? Couldn't just as easily I say that America was tired of rubber stamp congress and was dissatisfied with the direction of the country under a GOP majotiy?

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    cough... Dems want us to lose in Iraq..cough..cough... we will be less safer if the dems win..cough,cough..
    You make my point. My party was attempting to maintain the status quo by making voters scared of what the Dems would do, not because of the merit of their own accomplishments.

    And the Dems were attempting to gain majority based on that lack of accomplishment, not because they necessarily had a better plan.

    I am the lesser of two evils - the campaign slogan for '08

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    The whole thing is tragic. This country has erased it's integrity.

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    You make my point. My party was attempting to maintain the status quo by making voters scared of what the Dems would do, not because of the merit of their own accomplishments.

    And the Dems were attempting to gain majority based on that lack of accomplishment, not because they necessarily had a better plan.

    I am the lesser of two evils - the campaign slogan for '08


    I agree I agree I agree

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    The president's attempts to bring unity to the capitol: Obstructed by Democrats.

    The president's attempts to bring civility to the capitol: Obstructed by Democrats.


    You can't expect us to take anything you say seriously after dropping that pantload.

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    The whole thing is tragic. This country has erased it's integrity.

    This honestly isn't meant to start a Dems did this and repubs did this type of a debate, but I personally think our integrity was lost when our President had a blow job in the oval office and then somehow convinced us all that it really wasn't a big deal.

    Or all those proxy wars we started during the cold war, that was an integrity killer too.

    Or maybe the Nixon thing.

    This list could probably go on for a while.

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    If Bush got a blowjob in the oval office, I wouldn't give one rat about it. BFD.

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    If Bush got a blowjob in the oval office, I wouldn't give one rat about it. BFD.
    Might help, actually.

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    Might help, actually.


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    Wow, grammar is important isn't it?

    It might help.

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    If Bush got a blowjob in the oval office, I wouldn't give one rat about it. BFD.
    Is the issue with Clinton the gratification of choice (blowjob), ruining a good cigar, or the choice of consenting partner (Monica)? Frankly the last two seem much more heineous than the first!

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    Hey if you're pushing 60 and can't go out in public without an entourage, you make do.

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    It was widely rumored that JFK kept a couple of "secretaries" on staff to help with stress management. I'm sure that there are bawdy stories from the Oval Office from over the decades that will never make the light of day.

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    Plenty of the stories have, the big difference is other politicians and the press didn't make such an issue of it as they do today.

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