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Butt Bam wood dizagreeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Specifically, Slayer reached their songwriting peak in '86 with Reign in Blood. There was nowhere to go but down after that, you just can't improve upon it. They continued to write great songs all the way through Seasons in the Abyss, and even a few good-to-great songs on Divine Intervention, but Diabolus in Musica signaled their demise as songwriters. I can't think of one decent song they've released since then.
However, they managed to maintain the integrity of their live shows well into the 21st century if you ask me, and the last couple of shows at Sunset Station were absolutely incredible. But there is no doubt whatsoever that the Freeman Coliseum show this summer was not very good, by Slayer standards.
Butt Bam wood dizagreeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can't speak for their live shows, but I love the new album. I thought Slayer's down period was the mid-Nineties, but they've been on the upswing since Diabolus.
I guess on second thought I'd agree that, by definition, they're past their "Prime," given the standards of Awaits and Reign in Blood... but they're still putting out very good material.
Fair enough. The new stuff just isn't my cup of tea, but I will grant you that the new album is their best since Divine Intervention...most likely because Dave Lombardo is back on drums.
And seriously, there is nothing on this planet like a live Slayer show...even if they've lost a little off their fastball. Pure brutality. In fact Rolling Stone magazine once described their live show as being like "the war photos the Pentagon won't let you see." You MUST catch one of their shows before they retire.
Again, once they passed their "golden age", the luster wore off.
I first saw them in '84, right before "Haunting the Chapel" came out, and I was blown away at violent the show was. Saw them in '86 right after "Reign..." came out and it was still amazing. But as the years have passed, their shows aren't as brutal, and they have gotten lapped by some of the newer bands on the scene.
Do yourself a favor:
next time Immolation come to your town, be sure to catch them live.
They are far more brutal and way more angry than Slayer EVER were.
well stone sour (puke) doesnt; belong.
Ministry should win - but they won't.
I bet teh award goes to Slayer
how sad has america become that we actullay have "popular mainstream death metal"
Thanks, I will check out Immolation. For you, I recommend the band 1349. They're regarded as black metal, but they are the most brutal, violent black metal band I've ever heard. And they have one of the best extreme drummers around, a dude named Frost (the same Frost from Satyricon, but Satyricon wastes his talent and speed, much like driving a Ferrari at 30 mph all day). Download "Sculptor of Flesh" or "Blood is the Mortar," or check out the Sculptor video on youtube.com. You won't be disappointed.
The pinnacle of Slayer was South of Heaven. All of their stuff after South of Heaven was good but it wasn't great.
I saw Slayer at Sunken Gardens during the Divine Intervention tour and it was everything I expected and wanted it to be. The pit was incredible and as intense. Only the pit at Pantera/Sepultura in South Park Meadows was more intense.
Mininstry is considered metal? To me, they are more like Korn or Nine Inch Nails which isn't metal, imo.
Yeah, I know of 1349.
I have their very first ep that came out on some small indie label out of Virginia.
They actually played out here in early October. My friend's band (Nokturne) opened up for them at the gig. Reports were that they went over pretty well. Frost didn't play the show, since he has a record in Norway and he couldn't gain access into the country (Tony Lazaro, who I believe is with Vital Remains these days filled in for Frost). I wanted to go but I had to work that night. I DID get to see Destroyer 666 the next night. They are from Australia (in the event you hadn't heard of them) and play more of a thrash/death style of black metal. They only pulled maybe 150 people at this little place, but EVERYONE was into it. They even did some Bathory and Venom covers. They did a 10 date tour in early October and they did manage to hit Austin as one of their stops.
In the event you hadn't heard early Satyricon, definately get ahold of "Dark Medieval Times" (their debut and best album, imo), "The Shadowthrone" and "Nemesis Divina" (probably their fastest release). I do like "Now, Diabolical", but compared to the 3 discs that I've suggested here, that one isn't really up to snuff. Saw them open up for Suffocation and Deicide a couple of years ago (I left before Deicide came on), and they were okay. They really should've concentrated on the older stuff rather than the "Rebel Extravaganza" and "Volcano" material, but what can you do?
Regarding Immolation, any of their releases are brilliant, but their best albums are their debut album "Dawn of Possession" and (my favorite) "Close to a World Below". For my money, they are the best death metal band on the planet; no one even comes close.
Happy hunting!
Thanks for the info, Condemned. I'll check out Destroyer 666 and Immolation and tell you what I think.
I almost flew out to L.A. to check out that Safari Sam's 1349 show myself, but just had too much going on here in S.A. If Frost had played instead of Tony Laureano (who is also the drummer for Nile, by the way), I would have definitely made the trip. Laureano is a uva drummer himself, don't get me wrong, but it gave me an excuse not to go. Someone posted a clip from the Safari Sam's show on youtube.com, and it was obvious that the crowd was eating it up.
What pisses me off is that San Antonio just missed out on 1349 in October too, as they opened the first leg of the Celtic Frost tour, and departed a week before the tour arrived in S.A. so they could play the California dates as headliners.
Stone Sour??!! Metal?!
What a sad state of affairs.
This belongs in the "I'd like to call a friend" forum.
I don't particularly think any of those bands deserve to win.
Well as much as you think they suckd in the Unholy Alliance, i saw 3 fights break out and pretty much every guy in the entire arena was headbanging and yelling along to every song they sang....and they sang only 1 or 2 new ones, all old classics....was insanely bad ass for me, but it was my first Slayer concert.
First of all they started out with South of Heaven and that was ridiculous in itself, second of all name one or two other ing bands that have been around for more than 20 years that play FIVE songs from pre-86 then I will gladly repost in this thread and call myself chode bloaded.
I went to ministry this year, they played all of no songs pre 86
I went to kmfdm this year, they played all of 1 song from pre 86
I went to gwar this year, they played all of NO songs from pre 86
you're ing about 5 songs pre 86 sounds kinda lame to me
I am no Slayer veteran but i came away from that show satisified
Seriously.
Back in my metal phase, I could give a less about awards....................especially a "metal grammy"
1)Judas Priest
2)Iron Maiden
Edit:
Late (yet important) addition:
3)Motorhead
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Add:
King Diamond/Mercyful Fate
Dio
Venom
Black Sabbath
Ozzy
Yngwie
Scorpions
That's just off the top of my head.
Scorpions ftw.
I never thought those words would ever be put together like that.how sad has america become that we actullay have "popular mainstream death metal"
I was in the pit for that one, fell about 4 feet onto my knee, hitting the curb that seperated the asphalt to the grass.
I thought Seasons in the Abyss was the best effort (away from Reign In Blood)
The "Metal Grammy" is a joke, has been and always will be. The Jethro Tull thing back in the 80s set it off but it was the fact that Metallica (if I recall) won the award consecutively for the same song the next year, done like a do-over.
I know it sounds cliched to have an "old-timer" pontificate about the good ol' days, but it really is true in this case. As good as Slayer was for you this summer on the Unholy Alliance tour, try to imagine seeing them back in the mid-80s at the Villa Fontana (where they played the infamous S.A. Slayer vs. L.A. Slayer show), the Cameo Theater, Randy's Rodeo (blowing away headliner W.A.S.P. and supporting act Raven) or the Showcase Special Events Center on West Avenue. Believe me when I tell you there is no comparison whatsoever. It's maybe not as drastic a difference as seeing Metallica at the Cameo in 1984 vs. seeing The Band Formerly Known as Metallica play their commercial crap now at the SBC Center, but I think you get the idea.
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