T.O. fined $35,000 for spitting

[ponky]

you and i see 'eye to eye'. to has never been able to take it, never. and you are right, i never understood trash talk in sports compe ion...what does it mean? what does it prove? to think a player is scaring another b/c he is yelling obscenities at him is plain stupidity...and then yelling back at someone else b/c they trashed talked to you is even more unintelligent. i don't get, i never will...

it's called compe ive "i'm going to eat you alive" drive...i've never understood people that don't understand this concept except to arrive at the conclusion that their parents raised them to learn that sports were supposed to be fun and not compe ive which is why every kid on timmy's team gets to shoot the ball...that's fine for kids, when you're older you can take the smack

[MosesGuthrie]

It's a good thing MJ had some mad skillz, otherwise he might have been eaten alive by his ever-present weakness.

MJ was the exception.

I understand the concept, Ponky....I just don't like it. Those are two different things. You are right though, as an adult, you are going to hear it so you better be able to take it. I took my share as we all have. I still feel you can be just as compe ive and emotional without being an ass. My point still stands though, if you are good enough, let your game do the talking.

Like I said...just a personal opinion.

[johngateswhiteley]

it's called compe ive "i'm going to eat you alive" drive...i've never understood people that don't understand this concept except to arrive at the conclusion that their parents raised them to learn that sports were supposed to be fun and not compe ive which is why every kid on timmy's team gets to shoot the ball...that's fine for kids, when you're older you can take the smack

...well i guess you have never heard of LT or Marvin Harrison, then? those guys seem to be doing just fine without talking crap to other players...in fact you could argue they are the best at their position...maybe even ever by the time they retire.

as for me and my family, you're wrong their. i was raised to be tough and am about the most compe ive person you will ever meet. when i am playing rugby i don't feel the need to talk to anybody and if people are talking junk to me, which is very rare, i just laugh....and then laugh again when my cleat runs across their face. talking trash is a joke and if it makes people play harder or scares the recipient....thats mighty weak. i don't know why some professional players talk so much in their respective sport...other than, they just aren't very smart.

yeah, i said it.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

That must be the johngayswhiteley troll. The real JGW said he was never boastful.

[leemajors]

i can't imagine not talking , it takes the edge off situations and makes things more fun in general. if you can't take and dish it, you're a scrub. TO acted like a scrub, his tds in the game should have been enough. for someone that talks as much crap as he does he acted like a total scrub spitting at dude. just talking doesn't make you an ass imo, if you're an ass you were born one. the hick from french lick talked more than anyone, and backed it up as well as anyone. he sure didn't look it or act it though. for someone that does nothing but talk , jgw has a strange take.

[johngateswhiteley]

i can't imagine not talking , it takes the edge off situations and makes things more fun in general. if you can't take and dish it, you're a scrub. TO acted like a scrub, his tds in the game should have been enough. for someone that talks as much crap as he does he acted like a total scrub spitting at dude. just talking doesn't make you an ass imo, if you're an ass you were born one. the hick from french lick talked more than anyone, and backed it up as well as anyone. he sure didn't look it or act it though. for someone that does nothing but talk , jgw has a strange take.

i agree with that. but i think there is a difference between talking and then someone who doesn't talk being able to handle it. i am not going to talk but i could care less if someone talks to me, i doesn't bother me and i don't care. but to be clear, i am talking about compe ive sports arenas...not pick up games with friends or fantasy football, i would agree that is somewhat different.

[johngateswhiteley]

That must be the johngayswhiteley troll. The real JGW said he was never boastful.

what do you mean?

[leemajors]

what do you mean?

i think it was this:

"i was raised to be tough and am about the most compe ive person you will ever meet. when i am playing rugby i don't feel the need to talk to anybody and if people are talking junk to me, which is very rare, i just laugh....and then laugh again when my cleat runs across their face."

[johngateswhiteley]

i think it was this:

"i was raised to be tough and am about the most compe ive person you will ever meet. when i am playing rugby i don't feel the need to talk to anybody and if people are talking junk to me, which is very rare, i just laugh....and then laugh again when my cleat runs across their face."

i don't mean laugh at them...just laughing to myself. at the most a slight grin that they would never seen.

[kskonn]

...well i guess you have never heard of LT or Marvin Harrison, then? those guys seem to be doing just fine without talking crap to other players...in fact you could argue they are the best at their position...maybe even ever by the time they retire.

as for me and my family, you're wrong their. i was raised to be tough and am about the most compe ive person you will ever meet. when i am playing rugby i don't feel the need to talk to anybody and if people are talking junk to me, which is very rare, i just laugh....and then laugh again when my cleat runs across their face. talking trash is a joke and if it makes people play harder or scares the recipient....thats mighty weak. i don't know why some professional players talk so much in their respective sport...other than, they just aren't very smart.

yeah, i said it.

I have seen Marvin harrison a couple of times live and I saw him talk trash a number of times. LT? I wouldn't know, I have never really seen him talk trash on TV and I have not seen him live, although I really hope to get to some day.

[kskonn]

Just saw on ESPN that TO is appealing the fine. It was on the ticker at the bottom, I do not know why yet.

[kskonn]

check out this article, it appears that according to other NFL players hall can't take it either, they claim he is a cheap shot artist. TO claims that although he did spit on him it was while they were jawing at each other and was not intentional or as blatent as Hall made it sound. here is the link
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cf...6F3409B919955C

I have pasted the article below for your convienence.




Terrell Owens will face his old Eagles teammates on Christmas Day (4 p.m. CST).


IRVING, Texas - Cowboys wide receiver Terrell Owens will be a tad lighter in his wallet during this holiday week, but he won't be missing any games because of Saturday's spitting incident in Atlanta.

Owens was fined $35,000 by the NFL on Monday for spitting at Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall in the first quarter of the Cowboys' 38-28 win at the Georgia Dome.

But Owens will not be suspended by the league and should be ready to face his former team Christmas Day when the Eagles come to town to battle for the NFC East le at Texas Stadium.

"We don't condone that kind of activity, that's for sure," head coach Bill Parcells said on Monday. "I think the commissioner (Roger Goodell) is trying to be pretty strong on a lot of these disciplinary cases this year. I think this will be one of them."

Owens' fine more than doubles what the NFL levied to Washington safety Sean Taylor, who was ejected from a playoff game this past January for spitting at Tampa Bay's Michael Pittman. Taylor was fined $17,000 for that incident.

Denver linebacker Bill Romanowski was fined $7,500 for spitting in the face of 49ers receiver J.J. Stokes during a Monday night game in 1997.

But unlike those two situations, Owens' latest incident went unseen by the officials and was not even caught on camera.

"The fine does not surprise me," Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones said in a statement. "I know the Commissioner is making a point of emphasizing the importance of player behavior that takes place before, during and after our ball games. As an organization, we don't condone any acts that detract from, or take away from, so many of the positives that our games produce."

Hall said the incident occurred just before the Cowboys punted after the first offensive possession.

Owens admitted to the incident immediately following Saturday night's game, telling NFL Network he "got frustrated and I apologize for that. It was a situation where he kept bugging me and getting in my face."

But on Monday, Owens backtracked on his original comments.

"When it happened, we were jawing in each other's face, so it wasn't anything intentional," Owens said. "I didn't intentionally spit in his face. He's trying to make it seem like more than what it was by saying I hauled off and spit in his face. I feel like if I spit in his face . . . somebody would've seen it."

Apparently, no one did see it, but Owens' initial admittance has cost him a hefty fine.

But it doesn't appear to be enough for Hall's liking. The Falcons cornerback said Sunday that nothing short of Owens being suspended for a game would be fair.

"I think, for what he did, he deserves more than a fine," Hall said on Sunday. "The guy has all the money in the world. He's making $10 million or whatever this year. So what's a fine going to mean to him, really?

"He's a great player, a great compe or, and what would hurt him a lot more than a fine is making him sit. That would get his attention. And that's what I think the league should do. They need to do something pretty [severe], because there's something wrong with him, and he just can't get away with this kind of stuff."

However, Hall hasn't exactly been the poster boy for good behavior, either.

The third-year cornerback, who went to the Pro Bowl last year and won the NFL's Fastest Man compe ion in Hawaii this past February, has had his share of run-ins with players this season, including several Saturday night.

Aside from his game-long trash-talking battle with Owens, Hall had several questionable hits that flirted near the late-hit variety. Cowboys tackle Marc Colombo and Falcons defensive end Paul Carrington were both flagged for off-setting personal foul penalties on an extra point following a Cowboys touchdown in the third quarter. But it was Hall who actually started the skirmish, diving into Colombo's legs during the attempt and setting off the Cowboys' starting right tackle. And it was Hall who had to be restrained on the sidelines and had lengthy discussion with Falcons head coach Jim Mora Jr.

Earlier this season, Hall was called out by Lions center Dominic Raiola, who apparently had seen enough after Hall went after Lions quarterback John Kitna, who was already engaged in a fight with another player during a Nov. 5 game in Detroit.

"I wish I had been closer to the play, because I would have loved to take DeAngelo Hall's head off," Raiola said. "I promise that if I see him on the field again, I'll try to take his head off. I don't care if it is 10 or 15 years from now, and we're playing for different teams -- I'll try to get him. He's a cheap-shot artist -- he tried to hurt (Bengals RB) Rudi Johnson last week -- and that was a cheap shot. You don't go after a guy's head."

Three weeks later, Hall was flagged for a personal foul after giving up a 76-yard touchdown pass to New Orleans wide receiver Devery Henderson on the third play from scrimmage. After getting burned on the play, Hall dragged Henderson down eight yards into the end zone from behind in the "horse collar" technique.

While Saturday's incident certainly is the biggest involving Owens and Hall, it's not exactly the first. The two have traded a few words through the media, especially after last year's season opener when Owens played for the Eagles.

"Last year he said he shut me down, and yet I had (112) yards," said Owens, who caught seven passes during the Eagles' loss to the Falcons. "So he's going to say whatever he wants to say. I just wanted to come out there (Saturday night) and show him what I'm made out of."

Owens, who has been playing with torn a tendon on his right finger for the last month but has elected to bypass surgery until after the season, caught five passes for 69 yards, including two touchdowns - both against Hall - Saturday night.

Of course, that game will now be overshadowed by this latest incident, one that will hurt his pocketbook, but won't keep him from playing this week.

[johnsmith]

...well i guess you have never heard of LT or Marvin Harrison, then? those guys seem to be doing just fine without talking crap to other players...in fact you could argue they are the best at their position...maybe even ever by the time they retire.

as for me and my family, you're wrong their. i was raised to be tough and am about the most compe ive person you will ever meet. when i am playing rugby i don't feel the need to talk to anybody and if people are talking junk to me, which is very rare, i just laugh....and then laugh again when my cleat runs across their face. talking trash is a joke and if it makes people play harder or scares the recipient....thats mighty weak. i don't know why some professional players talk so much in their respective sport...other than, they just aren't very smart.

yeah, i said it.

I've heard that LT is one of the biggest trash talkers in the league. That was said in an interview with someone that I don't remember off the top of my head sometime last season.

[johngateswhiteley]

I've heard that LT is one of the biggest trash talkers in the league. That was said in an interview with someone that I don't remember off the top of my head sometime last season.

hmm, well everybody is always saying they are classy on the field and whatnot. plus, i have never seen them talk any junk, but i suppose that does not mean it has never happened. though, i think those two guys are still pretty good examples of players who conduct themselves in a manor where trash talking does not appear to be a big part of their game. bottom line, trash talking is weak...

[johngateswhiteley]

Nobody expects you to get it. Its none of your business. You don't get a lot of things do you....like reality, common sense, a well founded arguement.

Reggie Bush talked some to a pregnant women that wanted his chair. Are you going to judge him.

You sir are a judgemental prick. I PM'd the mods here about your judgemental replies and comments. Your kind of behavior isn't welcome here. Please next time refrain from being such a judgemental asshole. TO is like family here and we won't tolerate you slanderous any longer.

...lol. to is a poor teammate and a piece of garbage.

[johnsmith]

hmm, well everybody is always saying they are classy on the field and whatnot. plus, i have never seen them talk any junk, but i suppose that does not mean it has never happened. though, i think those two guys are still pretty good examples of players who conduct themselves in a manor where trash talking does not appear to be a big part of their game. bottom line, trash talking is weak...

I wish I could remember who said that about LT. Ever since he said it I've constantly looked for him to talk but he's got that visor and you can't see his face. If he does talk, he sure as backs it up.

[johnsmith]

I don't think trash talking is weak either. It's just another tool in some players arsenal. Sure, it's strictly a psychological tool, but think about how mental sports are. If your heads not in the game and it's soley focused on taking out one player, then you will screw up. Talking trash increases the chance that a "weak-minded" and easily frustrated player will make a mistake and cost his team points.

[MosesGuthrie]

Sure, it's strictly a psychological tool, but think about how mental sports are. If your heads not in the game and it's soley focused on taking out one player, then you will screw up. Talking trash increases the chance that a "weak-minded" and easily frustrated player will make a mistake and cost his team points

That point I agree with....im still not a big fan though. I still believe one's game should be the ultimate statement. Oh well, guess its an outdated theory.

[johnsmith]

That point I agree with....im still not a big fan though. I still believe one's game should be the ultimate statement. Oh well, guess its an outdated theory.

I don't think it's an outdated theory. I still think there are far more players in professional sports that do their talking on the field, court, etc. The ones that are the talkers though are the ones we sit here and discuss on internet message boards because they are the ones attracting attention to themselves.

[MosesGuthrie]

Very true. And if not for them....what would we talk about?


Back on the original topic....even though I am a big Cowboys fan and even though they have a huge game Christmas Day, I would have still suspended TO if it were my call. In no way am I a fan of DeAngelo Hall, although I respect his ability, but still as much as I dislike trash talking, IMO there is nothing that can be said that warrants that kind of response. I understand that there is no precedent for a suspension but I would have started one.

[johnsmith]

Very true. And if not for them....what would we talk about?


Back on the original topic....even though I am a big Cowboys fan and even though they have a huge game Christmas Day, I would have still suspended TO if it were my call. In no way am I a fan of DeAngelo Hall, although I respect his ability, but still as much as I dislike trash talking, IMO there is nothing that can be said that warrants that kind of response. I understand that there is no precedent for a suspension but I would have started one.

I agree. What is 35,000 to a guy that makes 10,000,000 a year. , that's the equivalent of $350 to a guy that "only" makes 100,000 a year. What's $350 really? Just a "damn, oh well, I won't buy that XBox this month".

[MosesGuthrie]

Exactly.

Fines do nothing unless they are proportional to the player's salary. Missing a game check would get someone's attention. Then again, who knows what gets TO's attention these days!

[kskonn]

I was listening to NFL radio on Sirius(as I do everyday) and they are saying that they think TO was being truthful when he said that he did not rare back and spit on Hall. they said that based on Halls past they could see if he was just making a bigger deal out something that might or might not of been a huge deal just to take the attention off of him getting outplayed in the game. they also confirmed, just like the article above that they could not find it on tape. they also mentioned that they found the spot on the tape where Hall said he was spit on and it appeared that there was nothing blatent that they saw. The fine was given only on TO admitting that he did spit on Hall.

[MWILL]

I was listening to NFL radio on Sirius(as I do everyday) and they are saying that they think TO was being truthful when he said that he did not rare back and spit on Hall. they said that based on Halls past they could see if he was just making a bigger deal out something that might or might not of been a huge deal just to take the attention off of him getting outplayed in the game. they also confirmed, just like the article above that they could not find it on tape. they also mentioned that they found the spot on the tape where Hall said he was spit on and it appeared that there was nothing blatent that they saw. The fine was given only on TO admitting that he did spit on Hall.

I'm glad that there are people out there that's not too quick to judge people. Especially when they don't know how everything came about. The ESPN Monday Night Countdown crew can learn a thing or two about that.


I think getting hit in the nuts by a another guy is more worse that getting spit on. When you get spit on you have an opportunity to get their ass, but when you get kicked/ punched in the nuts you can't do anything. You just sit there in a cowardly position holding your nuts & trying to regain your composure.

[leemajors]

I'm glad that there are people out there that's not too quick to judge people. Especially when they don't know how everything came about. The ESPN Monday Night Countdown crew can learn a thing or two about that.


I think getting hit in the nuts by a another guy is more worse that getting spit on. When you get spit on you have an opportunity to get their ass, but when you get kicked/ punched in the nuts you can't do anything. You just sit there in a cowardly position holding your nuts & trying to regain your composure.

as far as football is concerned, they do wear cups.