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Wins don't count? Are you a Raider fan?
did i mention USC stay losing?
Wins don't count? Are you a Raider fan?
Vince Young is the ing man. Anyone who disputes that hates UT or VY so much that they will dispute the obvious. Sad.
LMAO I love how JGW likes to give the defense most of the credit for the ans success when they ranked dead LAST in the league in total yards given up at 369.7 ypg. JGW, you are a complete joke and have proved right there that you have not followed the ans AT ALL and have no knowledge whatsoever. Your main goal is to put down Vince and you prove that when you say things that are not even logical. If you really watched and followed the team, maybe someone would take your opinions on the team more seriously. When you say things just to say them and take away from a great player and leader, then you will just get laughed at repeatedly. How could you ever, in your right mind, say the defense was more important in the wins than Vince?
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Personally, I would have given ROY of Colston or Jones-Drew. However, I can see the logic in this pick as well. I don't like VY, and I think his numbers were too ty to deserve ROY, but he still led a ing terrible team to a lot of wins they probably shouldn't have gotten and that's saying a lot.
so then all the media who voted, and all the pundits and experts who agreed with this...are wrong?well, there is no doubt he was better than vyoung this year.
On the same logic....Reggie Bush would deserve a LITTLE credit because his team did well throughout the year.so let me be clear, is it b/c of vyoung the team did well the end of the year...no, but obviously he deserves a LITTLE credit, albeit small, since he was the QB. understand?
^Just look at the post I made regarding Whiteley and his response in the college forum, it's obvious that if you cheer for any player or team that isn't in his 'inner' circle, you're wrong about your team or player, period. He's not objective, and never has been since he's been on this board. It's now just carrying over to the NFL board since Vince is getting props for ROY. It also goes to further show Vince was the real Heisman winner last year, not Reggie Bush and his pretender ass. Vince will also only continue to get better, he knows how to win and guys want to play hard for him. It's going to be fun watching Vince have all kinds of success as an NFL QB while Leinart and Bush creep along in his shadow.
Vince Young is an average QB during the regular course of a game, but sometimes he can get hot and dominate from start to finsih.
What makes Vince special is what he does on 3rd downs, what he does during crucial possesions of a game, and what he does in the 4th quarter. During those times in a football game Vince is one of the best in football maybe only second to Tom Brady.
Travis Henry calls it "Vince Magic".
+1
VY had way too many games (7) where he completed less than 50% of his passes for my liking.
1. MJD - put up great numbers splitting time (1400 total yards, 5.7 YPC and 16 total TDs)
2. VY - numbers weren't there but found a way to win games on a bad team
3. Colston - would have won if he didn't get injured
doesn't running for 70 yrds with 1-2 tds make up for that. Especially since some of his biggest runs occur on 3rd down?
MJD was awesome and I wouldn't have much of a problem with him winning it.1. MJD - put up great numbers splitting time (1400 total yards, 5.7 YPC and 16 total TDs)
The only difference is that Vince QB for a sorry ans team that started 0-5.
he rushed for more yards than any rookie QB in history(or last 30 years). Plus, did you get to see some of his TD runs? Take a look at Vince's stats on 3rd down and in the 4th qtr, I bet they are much more to your liking.2. VY - numbers weren't there but found a way to win games on a bad team
maybe3. Colston - would have won if he didn't get injured
He's a ing idiot, that about says it all. He's a whiny like Leinhart.^Just look at the post I made regarding Whiteley and his response in the college forum, it's obvious that if you cheer for any player or team that isn't in his 'inner' circle, you're wrong about your team or player, period. He's not objective, and never has been since he's been on this board. It's now just carrying over to the NFL board since Vince is getting props for ROY. It also goes to further show Vince was the real Heisman winner last year, not Reggie Bush and his pretender ass. Vince will also only continue to get better, he knows how to win and guys want to play hard for him. It's going to be fun watching Vince have all kinds of success as an NFL QB while Leinart and Bush creep along in his shadow.
Merrill Hoge says that the media voted for Vince Young just to spite him because of their anti-Steeler bias.
Why did you make me look at those stats? He's a 50% passer in the 4th too. His 3rd down completion % is awful (43%) and it made me find out how bad he was throwing the ball over 21 yards (10-53 19%).
let me break it down for you a little further, over 60% of his touchdowns came on 3rd or 4th down.
66% of his passing touchdowns occurred in the second half.
The guy produces points when the game matters!
Also, if they could work Rushing stats into his passer rating what would it be?
You want to hear something funny?
78% of another rookie QB's TDs came on 3rd or 4th Down.
56% of his passing TDs occurred in the second half.
Only 33% of his INTs occurred in the second half compared to VY throwing 62% of his in the second half.
Guess who.
Give up?
None other than Bruce Gradkowski. And I only compared the two because they are both rookies...
ehh, wins are way more important than stats in my book. then again i could give a less about fantasy football.
I don't like using W/L record as a QB stat. No doubt VY was responsible for a few wins, but he also got credit for a few when he did absolutely nothing.
Plus, a QB can have a great day(250+ yards, 2-3 TDs, no INTs) and still take a loss.
W/L is a team stat.
oh really? then how come NO ONE considers Dan Marino to be a better QB than guys like John Elway or Joe Montana??? Dan had superior stats to such guys, so why isnt he the greatest of all time?
i was stating my general opinion more or less, not trying to point out anything specific. VY was a big factor in a lot of those wins, and the team took off in a much better direction when he got the starting job (save that game vs dallas). his team believes they have a better chance when he's in the lineup, and if it gives them confidence that's all that matters.
plenty of people consider marino the best qb of all time because of his stats.
I looked at Leinarts and other QBs and Vince was way better. It didn't even occur to me to use Bruce, you must of went through a lot of QBs to eventually get to him......
I just looked at Bruce he had 9 TDs total.and threw for less than 2k yrds. Again you must of went through a lot of QBs to come up with him.
Vince had 18 TD's, 2200 yrds passing and almost 600 yrds rushing in 13 games.
Did you notice the part where I said "I don't like...", meaning strictly my POV.
As for Marino, he was much like Manning is now in the playoffs. He won a lot of regular season games and played horribly in the playoffs (something like a 75 passer rating). Greatness on that level means winning in the playoffs.
And I don't think those two are automatically the greatest of all-time. The game has changed so much since the inception of the SB it really wouldn't be fair to guys like Graham, Unitas, Baugh, YA tle, etc. to anoint either.
how true you are. however, anyone who knows a damn thing about football wouldnt say that.
lol, whatever man. its funny how you would go to such great lengths to discredit Vince Young, to the point that you would say that Joe Montana and John Elway are among the greatest QBs to ever play the game. its quite sad actually.
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