Oklahoma State @ Texas A&M

[johngateswhiteley]

Tech will be a very tough win, and the UT game at Reed Arena will be very tough because it is just 2 days after having to travel to Kansas......


ight now, I will love to have that 12-4 conference record. That should get them a 3 seed in the tourney, and that will be a great spot to be in.

...here is where i think A&M will finish in conference, trying not to be biased.

4. ok state - win
5. @ tekk - win
6. ou - win
7. iowa state - win
8. @ ku - loss
9. t.u. - win
10. @ neb - win
11. tekk - win
12. @ ou - win
13. @ ok state - loss
14. baylor - win
15. @ t.u. - loss
16. missouri - win

...that puts us @ 13-3, about the same record i expect for Kansas. i could see us going 14-2, not losing one of the games @ t.u. or ok state, but we'll see. i'll stick with 13-3.

[MajorMike]

I understand looking at it and saying a game they are "forecasted to lose." If you apply that same logic to KU, I can't see them losing any game. Whereas I'm sure they will, you just don't know where it will be. @ Mizzou? @ KSU? Who knows. Another factor to be aware of is the 'we are playing one of the big dogs' factor. This applies for the game @ neb, for example. They bat the ball around with ISU/CU/KSU/Mizzou yearly for 3-6 in the North. They've got not much else to play for at that point. But all of a sudden, a good team we don't see often comes to town and we have something new to play for. Plus any way game is no gimme in the B12. With UT and ttek going to atm, don't assume you will win all your home games, either.

I don't expect atm to fall on their face by any means, but they need to show that they can win and finish as a fave. To be honest... they snuck up on alot of teams last year. This year, everyone knows who they are when they come to town.

[Jimcs50]

I understand looking at it and saying a game they are "forecasted to lose." If you apply that same logic to KU, I can't see them losing any game. Whereas I'm sure they will, you just don't know where it will be. @ Mizzou? @ KSU? Who knows. Another factor to be aware of is the 'we are playing one of the big dogs' factor. This applies for the game @ neb, for example. They bat the ball around with ISU/CU/KSU/Mizzou yearly for 3-6 in the North. They've got not much else to play for at that point. But all of a sudden, a good team we don't see often comes to town and we have something new to play for. Plus any way game is no gimme in the B12. With UT and ttek going to atm, don't assume you will win all your home games, either.

I don't expect atm to fall on their face by any means, but they need to show that they can win and finish as a fave. To be honest... they snuck up on alot of teams last year. This year, everyone knows who they are when they come to town.

I agree 100%

I think it is overly optimistic to think that the Aggies will win all those road games, like at TT, and even at Nebraska(we lost there last year) Even Baylor is not a given.

I will take 12-4 in a heartbeat.

[johngateswhiteley]

I understand looking at it and saying a game they are "forecasted to lose." If you apply that same logic to KU, I can't see them losing any game. Whereas I'm sure they will, you just don't know where it will be. @ Mizzou? @ KSU? Who knows. Another factor to be aware of is the 'we are playing one of the big dogs' factor. This applies for the game @ neb, for example. They bat the ball around with ISU/CU/KSU/Mizzou yearly for 3-6 in the North. They've got not much else to play for at that point. But all of a sudden, a good team we don't see often comes to town and we have something new to play for. Plus any way game is no gimme in the B12. With UT and ttek going to atm, don't assume you will win all your home games, either.

I don't expect atm to fall on their face by any means, but they need to show that they can win and finish as a fave. To be honest... they snuck up on alot of teams last year. This year, everyone knows who they are when they come to town.

good thoughts, but i don't see A&M losing to any inferior teams...defense is just too good. Auburn and Winthrop are as good as kstate, baylor, nebraska, etc. and we murdered those teams. but i understand your thought process.

i do, however, agree completely with your last paragraph. A&M does need to show that...and i think they will.

[MajorMike]

Hahaha Winthrop again. Well, I actually agree to an extent with you. Whereas I think that any B12 team could win a home game with Winthrop this year (the worst teams - ISU and CU, are historically 2 of the hardest road games), lets for arguement's sake say you are right and both those teams are as good as KSU, BU and Neb. None of those teams will be a tourney team, therefore, the only reason Winthrop will be in the tourney is because the rest of their conf is rated 250+. In other words, you have agreed with my earlier statements that neither Winthrop nor Auburn are good teams.

**note that OSU beat Auburn by 1, and I still don't think they are a good team.

[Jimcs50]

Hahaha Winthrop again. Well, I actually agree to an extent with you. Whereas I think that any B12 team could win a home game with Winthrop this year (the worst teams - ISU and CU, are historically 2 of the hardest road games), lets for arguement's sake say you are right and both those teams are as good as KSU, BU and Neb. None of those teams will be a tourney team, therefore, the only reason Winthrop will be in the tourney is because the rest of their conf is rated 250+. In other words, you have agreed with my earlier statements that neither Winthrop nor Auburn are good teams.

**note that OSU beat Auburn by 1, and I still don't think they are a good team.

They played the #2 and #4 team in the country (Wisconsin and NC) on the road and lost by a total of 9 pts...incld OT game at Wisconsin.

I think they are a good team.

[johngateswhiteley]

Hahaha Winthrop again. Well, I actually agree to an extent with you. Whereas I think that any B12 team could win a home game with Winthrop this year (the worst teams - ISU and CU, are historically 2 of the hardest road games), lets for arguement's sake say you are right and both those teams are as good as KSU, BU and Neb. None of those teams will be a tourney team, therefore, the only reason Winthrop will be in the tourney is because the rest of their conf is rated 250+. In other words, you have agreed with my earlier statements that neither Winthrop nor Auburn are good teams.

**note that OSU beat Auburn by 1, and I still don't think they are a good team.

my point is that while you are suggesting A&M might/should lose some games you cannot predict...i don't see it. obviously, we don't know how good k-state, nebraska, and baylor are....though it looks to be average in the big 12. i should have said 'at least' as good as though teams. Auburn has played some very good teams closely and A&M beat them by 30. what say you about that?

i will agree that winthrop is a tourney team b/c their conference is weak, but that doesn't make them undeserving. they are what i thought they were, a top 100 RPI team. lol.

[MajorMike]

my point is that while you are suggesting A&M might/should lose some games you cannot predict...i don't see it. obviously, we don't know how good k-state, nebraska, and baylor are....though it looks to be average in the big 12. i should have said 'at least' as good as though teams. Auburn has played some very good teams closely and A&M beat them by 30. what say you about that?

i will agree that winthrop is a tourney team b/c their conference is weak, but that doesn't make them undeserving. they are what i thought they were, a top 100 RPI team. lol.

Any given day is what I say about that.

#10 Bama has beaten alot of good teams, and Vandy just beat them by 20. KU squeaks out wins against 2 bad teams (Mizzou by 3; ISU by 4) and mops the floor with us by 30.

Bottom line is you cannot script it. You have mediocre teams that win games they had no business of winning all the time (KU losing at home to DePaul and ORU??? UT getting beat last year by 21 to a .500 OSU team??).

Also, margin of victory is overrated, to a certain extent, as well as saying this team beat that team so they are better. You just can't use someone else's parallel to make a case. atm lost to LSU but UT beat LSU. Is UT better than atm? Not likely. atm beats Auburn by 20 and OSU beats them by 1, so is atm 19 points better than OSU? Possibly, but not likely. Auburn has also lost to 7-5 Southern Miss (by 2) who then lost to 4-14 Savannah State (by 2). Does that mean Savannah State is 3 points better than OSU? Mizzou St gave Wisc its only loss so far and OSU beats Mizzou St the very next day. Is OSU better than Wisc? Not likely.

Is it sane to think that atm will be 2nd or 3rd in the B12 this year? Of course. The only problem is college bball isn't always sane. Nothing is a given. That's all I'm trying to say.

That, and Winthrop is a bad team.

[johngateswhiteley]

Any given day is what I say about that.

#10 Bama has beaten alot of good teams, and Vandy just beat them by 20. KU squeaks out wins against 2 bad teams (Mizzou by 3; ISU by 4) and mops the floor with us by 30.

Bottom line is you cannot script it. You have mediocre teams that win games they had no business of winning all the time (KU losing at home to DePaul and ORU??? UT getting beat last year by 21 to a .500 OSU team??).

Also, margin of victory is overrated, to a certain extent, as well as saying this team beat that team so they are better. You just can't use someone else's parallel to make a case. atm lost to LSU but UT beat LSU. Is UT better than atm? Not likely. atm beats Auburn by 20 and OSU beats them by 1, so is atm 19 points better than OSU? Possibly, but not likely. Auburn has also lost to 7-5 Southern Miss (by 2) who then lost to 4-14 Savannah State (by 2). Does that mean Savannah State is 3 points better than OSU? Mizzou St gave Wisc its only loss so far and OSU beats Mizzou St the very next day. Is OSU better than Wisc? Not likely.

Is it sane to think that atm will be 2nd or 3rd in the B12 this year? Of course. The only problem is college bball isn't always sane. Nothing is a given. That's all I'm trying to say.

That, and Winthrop is a bad team.

(and we come full circle) Capt. Mike (i even did it capitals this time)! thats the best damn post you have ever made, imo. couldn't have said it better myself.

only thing we disagree on is Winthrop being a bad team. there are 336 D1 bball teams, if you're in the top 3rd...you're a good team. at least, thats my opinion.

[MajorMike]

Soooo...football has 120 D1 teams. That means anyone in the top third, down to 40, is a good team.

Zona was 6-6, didn't get a Bowl, and was 33rd in the final BCS ratings. By your logic, they are a good team?

I have to call bs on that 1st hand. OSU was ranked 89 last year RPI. We were a bad team. 15-14 Virginia was 77, 15-14 ISU was 93. 19-13 Nebraska was 96. All those teams were awful. So a Winthrop team that finishes 80-ish is as good as OSU or ISU last year. In other words... not a good team.

[johngateswhiteley]

Soooo...football has 120 D1 teams. That means anyone in the top third, down to 40, is a good team.

Zona was 6-6, didn't get a Bowl, and was 33rd in the final BCS ratings. By your logic, they are a good team?

I have to call bs on that 1st hand. OSU was ranked 89 last year RPI. We were a bad team. 15-14 Virginia was 77, 15-14 ISU was 93. 19-13 Nebraska was 96. All those teams were awful. So a Winthrop team that finishes 80-ish is as good as OSU or ISU last year. In other words... not a good team.

well, after the 25 are ranked its personal opinion as to who is in the top 3rd in either sport....we may have different opinions on that. but, i've always held that if you are in that 3rd you are a good team, period.

[johngateswhiteley]

game time!

[johngateswhiteley]

18-11 A&m
21-13 Usc

[johngateswhiteley]

A&M up 10 at half....Acie Law basically sat out the entire first half, this game should be much worse. instead of 10 i'm thinking 17-18.

[johngateswhiteley]

38-33...a&m

[johngateswhiteley]

...well, that was fun stomping on okla state. later.

[Doug Collins]

I wonder what this does to okie state's rpi...

[Doug Collins]

Any given day is what I say about that.

#10 Bama has beaten alot of good teams, and Vandy just beat them by 20. KU squeaks out wins against 2 bad teams (Mizzou by 3; ISU by 4) and mops the floor with us by 30.

Bottom line is you cannot script it. You have mediocre teams that win games they had no business of winning all the time (KU losing at home to DePaul and ORU??? UT getting beat last year by 21 to a .500 OSU team??).

Also, margin of victory is overrated, to a certain extent, as well as saying this team beat that team so they are better. You just can't use someone else's parallel to make a case. atm lost to LSU but UT beat LSU. Is UT better than atm? Not likely. atm beats Auburn by 20 and OSU beats them by 1, so is atm 19 points better than OSU? Possibly, but not likely. Auburn has also lost to 7-5 Southern Miss (by 2) who then lost to 4-14 Savannah State (by 2). Does that mean Savannah State is 3 points better than OSU? Mizzou St gave Wisc its only loss so far and OSU beats Mizzou St the very next day. Is OSU better than Wisc? Not likely.

Is it sane to think that atm will be 2nd or 3rd in the B12 this year? Of course. The only problem is college bball isn't always sane. Nothing is a given. That's all I'm trying to say.

That, and Winthrop is a bad team.

Actually they're 18 points better

[johngateswhiteley]

I wonder what this does to okie state's rpi...

...still, great questions. i'm sure their RPI will still be higher than ours, even though we just beat that ass.

[johngateswhiteley]

Actually they're 18 points better

btw, Capt. Mike...A&M beat Auburn by 29, not 20.

[Doug Collins]

...still, great questions. i'm sure their RPI will still be higher than ours, even though we just beat that ass.

I forgot. Gotta factor in that whole scheduling winthrop thing divided by only beating osu by 18 points, which puts into effect the super double secret rpi boost for osu. Had we beaten them by 19 maybe then we would've had a chance...nuts.

Oh well I'll settle for #1 in the Big 12.

[RonMexico]

What are college rankings?

[johngateswhiteley]

I forgot. Gotta factor in that whole scheduling winthrop thing divided by only beating osu by 18 points, which puts into effect the super double secret rpi boost for osu. Had we beaten them by 19 maybe then we would've had a chance...nuts.

Oh well I'll settle for #1 in the Big 12.

settling for #1 in the big 12 (thanks tekk), is...nice.

i don't think it matters what A&M does this year, they can't possibly catch okla state in the RPI...

[remingtonbo2001]

The only thing that matters is the TOURNEY.....Just get in at this point...A good seeding would be nice....But, really, if A&M's defense continues to improve, as it has, then I really don't care too much who we play. It's weird, cause we don't have any big name guys. That should speaks volumes about the kind of coach Gillispie is.

[Jimcs50]

The only thing that matters is the TOURNEY.....Just get in at this point...A good seeding would be nice....But, really, if A&M's defense continues to improve, as it has, then I really don't care too much who we play. It's weird, cause we don't have any big name guys. That should speaks volumes about the kind of coach Gillispie is.

Acie Law is now a "big name" guy. He will be drafted in top 25...no doubt about it.