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    No offense, but that makes no sense at all. Any foreign country cannot "win" in another country's civil war.
    The US won in the italian Civil war in 43-45.
    The US won in greek civil war after WW2.
    OK. That was decide in Yalta.

    Wars are often decided beforehand.

    Such as this one.

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    dubya instigated the bogus invasion of Iraq, and botched it into a geopolitical disaster, which invited Iran to come into Iraq.

    With Saddam still in power and Saddam and Iran mortally, eternally hating each other, there wouldn't be Iranian generals running around Iraq killing US military.
    That's precisely the reason why he was put there in the first place.

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    Now Bush is channelling Nixon invading Cambodia?

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    Spinning war with Iran...

    Bush Authorized Iranians' Arrest in Iraq, Rice Says
    By DAVID E. SANGER and MICHAEL R. GORDON
    Published: January 13, 2007

    WASHINGTON, Jan. 12
    A recent series of American raids against Iranians in Iraq was authorized under an order that President Bush decided to issue several months ago to undertake a broad military offensive against Iranian operatives in the country, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Friday.

    “There has been a decision to go after these networks,” Ms. Rice said in an interview with The New York Times in her office on Friday afternoon, before leaving on a trip to the Middle East.

    Ms. Rice said Mr. Bush had acted “after a period of time in which we saw increasing activity” among Iranians in Iraq, “and increasing lethality in what they were producing.” She was referring to what American military officials say is evidence that many of the most sophisticated improvised explosive devices, or I.E.D.’s, being used against American troops were made in Iran.
    NY Times

    OK Condi, but that's not the way some of us remember it:

    By EVAN WRIGHT
    Published: June 17, 2004
    LOS ANGELES


    To the American troops in Iraq being subjected to a daily rain of fire from roadside bombs, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades, it often seems that the insurgents have limitless stocks of munitions. In fact, in the time I spent embedded with a platoon there, I heard more than one marine joke that the insurgents must have more bullets to spare than the Americans.

    But it's no joke: some military officials told me that the Iraqis have so many weapons that they are suspected of exporting them over the Syrian border. And for this bounty, they can thank the Pentagon. Of all the blunders American military leaders have made in Iraq, one of the least talked about is how they succeeded in arming the insurgents.

    By the time of the coalition invasion, Iraq had one of the largest conventional arms stockpiles in the world. According to one American military estimate, this included three million tons of bombs and bullets; millions of AK-47's and other rifles, rocket launchers and mortar tubes; and thousands of more sophisticated arms like ground-to-air missiles. Much of the arsenal was stored in vast warehouse complexes, some of which occupied several square miles. As war approached, Iraqi commanders ordered these mountains of munitions to be dispersed across the country in thousands of small caches.

    <snip >

    But under orders to reach Baghdad as quickly as possible, the marines rarely had a chance to remove, destroy or even mark the stockpiles. In one village, combat engineers (led by local children whom they had bribed with bags of Skittles candies) discovered an underground bunker crammed with dozens of sophisticated air-to-ground missiles. Yet higher-ups in the division insisted that there was no time to destroy them. The marines moved on, leaving the missiles unguarded."
    Stephen Gilliard

    Can we, as a nation, afford to sit ideally by while this administration backs into a much more lethal confrontation, with a much more challenging and dangerous enemy that could possibly grind to a halt our economy by disrupting oil flow through the H. Strait? This administration is playing with fire; it can't afford to make unfounded accusations that could exacerbate the danger for our troops still on the ground in Iraq. Or are we to believe that Shi'ite militia-men, led by Muqtada Al Sadr, are training and supplying Sunni militia-men with IUD and missiles to attack them and Americans?



    Please.

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    Take a look at this, I'm still not sure what to make of it...

    In the U.S. House today, Republican Rep. Walter Jones (NC) introduced a resolution requiring the President "to receive congressional authorization to use military force against Iran," reports McClatchy Newspapers.

    "The resolution requires that – absent a national emergency created by an attack, or a demonstrably imminent attack, by Iran upon the United States or its armed forces – the President must consult with Congress and receive specific authorization prior to initiating any use of military force against Iran," Rep. Jones said in a press release.

    "Today, there is a growing concern – justified or not – that some U.S. officials are contemplating military action against Iran," Jones continues. "This resolution makes it crystal clear that no previous resolution passed by Congress authorizes such use of force. The Cons ution of the United States declares that, while the Commander in Chief has the power to conduct wars, only Congress has the power to authorize them."
    Rawstory

    This is coming from a Republican. Too bad it still leaves a loop-hole large enough to fly a few 757's through.

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    Since all indications are now that we are one Gulf of Tonkin incident away from all out regional war in the greater M.E., perhaps this is the right time for this...

    War

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    Sunday Times exposes Israeli plans to attack Iranian reactor, with US help

    Israel has drawn up plans to destroy Iranian uranium enrichment facilities with a tactical nuclear strike, a British newspaper has said in a report

    Remember we just sold these to thema couple of years ago

    The Sunday Times quoted several Israeli military sources as saying that two of the country's air force squadrons are training to use "bunker-busting" bombs for a single strike

    The Sunday Times -- which in 1986 first revealed Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal -- said the plans involved sending conventional, laser-guided missiles to open up "tunnels" in the targets before "mini-nukes" with a force the equivalent of one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb are fired in.

    "As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project will be demolished," one of the unnamed sources was quoted as saying

    US, Israeli officials are evasive about plans
    Speaking on NBC's "Meet the Press," US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice avoided the question, couching her response in ambiguous terms. "The US administration is not going to authorize anything here. We clearly have a diplomatic path ahead of us," Rice stressed.


    http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Security/5154.htm

    Of course this is all now being deniied but I wonder just how much is true,
    I bet the plan is in place, and I wonder just what it would take for the green light to be given, IMO the stroy alone provokes Iran
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