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    @ Ploto coming out of retirement to post about Nazr losing his starting job.

    The Nazr/Rasho compe ion is over. They are both doing what they usually do. Nazr is putting up decent stats but frustrating coaches and teammates with his inconsistent play. Rasho plays damn good ... when the team's star PF is on the sidelines injured. With Bosh back in there, Rasho disappears again.

    Same story, different teams. Yet I don't get why a Rasho homer cares to pile on Nazr's demotion at this point.

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    He doesn't have the talent to be a 20/10 guy at all. He works hard. He just isn't that great. As far as his hands, he could probably do football drills for catching better, but I don't know how much he'd improve. He might just have bad hands by nature. He is what he is. A guy who can produce about 6/6 or 7/7 in 20 mpg. Defensively, he could probably improve but he's SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW, so it's not going to get that much better.

    Ploto ... you took a month and half off from posting and just came back to bash Nazr/prop Rasho? I was getting worried about you.
    That was basically what I thought. I'm not sure why people percieve him to be a better player than he is with potential or whatever. And I don't think there has ever been anything said about his work ethic.

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    Oberto pisses me off, but Oberto > Nazr and Rasho.

    And thats sad.

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    ... and in other news Rasho has been about as impacting a player for the Barney's as he was for the Spurs. So much for Duncan holding him back.
    So, any link or just your usual bashing?
    If you haven't noticed the topic is about Nazr. So why bashing Rasho?
    Having an itch again?

    As far as I can remember, nobody was stupid enough to claim that Duncan is holding him back, however, I am sure, that Pop wasn't able to use Rasho's full potential.
    You may bash Rasho and list statistics that suits you, however, check December statistic also, check +/- stats and, please, check how Rasho's PT influences W-L ratio.

    And just as remark, San Antonio FO sucks. They got Bonner+Williams+2nd round pick for Rasho and cash! Only good think about both is, that they contracts expire after this season. Bonner has some potential, however Pop has no wishes to develop young players (Parker is an exception, don't forget that he was after Kidd, so he was forced to do something with Parker).

    Rasho would still do more for SA as Bonner and Williams do combined. Do I even have to mention how Blount abused SA bigs?

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    Bonner>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rasho

    Its not even close.

    That they got EW and rid of contracts in that trade is GRAVY.

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    Rasho with Bosh in the lineup
    4.2 points
    46.5%

    Rasho without Bosh in the lineup
    9.4 points
    53.6% shooting


    The problem might be that Rasho is a superstar and nobody knows it.


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    And just as remark, San Antonio FO sucks. They got Bonner+Williams+2nd round pick for Rasho and cash!
    That's one of the great salary dumps of the new millennium. GMs will talk about that one for years.

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    And just as remark, San Antonio FO sucks. They got Bonner+Williams+2nd round pick for Rasho and cash! Only good think about both is, that they contracts expire after this season. Bonner has some potential, however Pop has no wishes to develop young players (Parker is an exception, don't forget that he was after Kidd, so he was forced to do something with Parker).

    Rasho would still do more for SA as Bonner and Williams do combined. Do I even have to mention how Blount abused SA bigs?
    Bottomline is the FO doesn't suck because they accomplished their goal - to get rid of Rasho's contract. They didn't care AT ALL about what players they got back. They almost traded him for Tariq Abdul-Wahid who isn't even in the league. So though you think the Spurs made a bad move, they accomplished exactly what they tried to do.

    (This doesn't mean I think Rasho is worse (or better) basketball wise than Williams/Bonner).

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    Actually there were a number of people saying Duncan held Rasho back, mostly because Duncan would occupy the post, Rasho's turf, and many were fellow Slovenians.

    Why jump on Rasho? Equal opportunity thread.

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    Do I even have to mention how Blount abused SA bigs?
    Blount was hitting 20 foot jumpers.

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    Not even the defensive stallworth Rasho would've stopped Blount that night.

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    That's one of the great salary dumps of the new millennium. GMs will talk about that one for years.
    Yeah, I still can't believe the Spurs even got a 2nd round pick in that deal.

    That's just comical.

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    Shouldn't RC at least be mentioned for GM of the year for that?

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    Rasho has as much game as he has hair on the top of his head or blood in his lips.

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    Actually there were a number of people saying Duncan held Rasho back, mostly because Duncan would occupy the post, Rasho's turf, and many fellow Slovenians.

    Why jump on Rasho? Equal opportunity thread.
    Links please.
    There should be so many links, you shoudn't have troubles found three or four where (different) Slovenians are claiming that Duncan hold Rasho back.

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    Rasho has as much game as he has hair on the top of his head or blood in his lips.
    Expect a strongly worded letter from Ploto soon.

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    Links please.
    There should be so many links, you shoudn't have troubles found three or four where (different) Slovenians are claiming that Duncan hold Rasho back.
    Are you kidding? What have you been reading the past few years? Do some searching yourself, but I know Picnroll is right because I remember tons of those posts.

    Its happening again with Beno. Now Tony Parker and Popovich have been the ones who have held Beno back according to Zelini.

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    Blount was hitting 20 foot jumpers.
    That's all Blount can do. OK, he's a decent passer, but that and jumpshots are all he provides on the court. If you don't leave him open ... he won't hit them.

    And as far as bad hands go:

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    Rasho with Bosh in the lineup
    4.2 points
    46.5%

    Rasho without Bosh in the lineup
    9.4 points
    53.6% shooting


    The problem might be that Rasho is a superstar and nobody knows it.

    Fear the Sho

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    In less minutes this season, Nazr compared to Rasho is averaging more points, rebounds and they are tied in blocks.

    That said, if both players were available for cheap, I'd pick Rasho. Defensively, he's better than Oberto and Elson and could be useful in the right matchups. Nazr is too much of a tease.

    Problem with Rasho is he makes like three or four times as much as he's worth to the Spurs.

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    Rasho has as much game as he has hair on the top of his head or blood in his lips.


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    Problem with Rasho is he makes like three or four times as much as he's worth to the Spurs.
    I was going to say twice as much, but point taken.

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    Actually there were a number of people saying Duncan held Rasho back, mostly because Duncan would occupy the post, Rasho's turf, and many were fellow Slovenians.

    Why jump on Rasho? Equal opportunity thread.
    I would really like to see a link to somebody saying that, because it's a very stupid claim and one I don't remember seeing on this board - by anybody. And I find it offensive that you so blatently shoved it at our - Slovenian - feet.

    I remember debates about no plays being called for Rasho, about him not being used properly, about how his defensive assignments left no room for offense and many more or less informed theories.

    It's even stupider because his role didn't change when he was coming from the bench and playing without Duncan on the floor. His job - and most of the time his performance - remained the same.

    Don't get me wrong I always liked the guy - still do - and always appreciated what he did on D, but to ask Duncan to move away from the post for him!?!?!?

    The only time when his numbers went up was during Tim's injury and that to me proves without a doubt, in full agreement with timvp, that he is a franchise caliber player and a star in the making. Given the proper support from the teams official he could easily become an Amare Stoudemire type of player!

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    Yeah, I don't think anyone said Duncan held Rasho back. More like Rasho wasn't effective offensively with Duncan on the court because they are both low post players.

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    Mo Peterson is a player the Pistons have liked for some time now, but I don't see the Raptors willing to give him up unless they can get someone like Antonio McDyess in return.
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    Or Nazr!

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