Reply With Quote
I agree. Nocioni is kind of redundant since they have Deng. So maybe Scola + some other player for Nocioni makes sense for the Bulls
I'm all for trading Scola at the moment. Question is, would the Bulls do it and if so, what would they be willing to give up? We have 3 point guards as it is, + 2 players who could bring the ball up (Barry and Gino) in any given moment. We also have quite a few swing men at the 6'6"-6'7" persuasion.
I agree. Nocioni is kind of redundant since they have Deng. So maybe Scola + some other player for Nocioni makes sense for the Bulls
Don't tell them that. If they think they need Scola, let them.
Oh, and Brand > Love. And Love wasn't really a true PF.
I think a big issue is that the Spurs don't want to have to pay the players while they develop if they don't have to, and so they have used the European league as a free training ground. The Euro players get developed on someone else's payroll and then the Spurs plan to bring then into the NBA cheap, but it just does not work that way anymore.
They were trying to make something out of nothing picks, plain and simple. Scola would have already been signed if his contract hadn't been so ridiculous.
Maybe, but you simply cannot ignore domestic talent. How good would they have looked if they had simply selected Josh Howard, who fell into their ing laps during the 2003 draft. A clear example of how they have simply disregarded the domestic talent pool.
Josh Howard on this team? Threepeat.
But the front office swore off domestic talent at some point, for some bizarre, idiotic reason.
The only way we'll ever really know if Scola has an NBA game or not is to let him play. If the Spurs aren't willing to do so, trade his rights and don't keep him hanging. He comes with strong credentials and if he has a passion for the game to go along with his evident skills, these matter far more than an additional 1 or 2 inches in height.
Only time will tell about the drafting of Ian and how long will the team have to wait for that.
They were trying to sign a domestic point guard.
Bulls badly need a low post scoring threat, Scola is a good fit for them. Their 07 first round pick (NYK pick) isn't looking that great for the moment and they won't likely fix that need with him. Players like Al Horford should be gone before ther pick.
On the other end, aside pipe dream trades (Nocioni, Deng, Thomas...), Bulls have few things that can help Spurs : a good backup PG (Duhn) and a long SF (Khryapa). Duhon trade value isn't that high after a crappy month and a suspension for one game. Khryapa is stuck on the bench.
The deal I'd like to do is : Williams + Udrih + Scola for Duhon + Khryapa.
Bulls get a low post scorer for next year for is a clear upgrade over sweetney, a PG with some skills that can maybe be good after a change os scenary and an expiring.
Spurs get a solid backup PG and the famous long SF. They go under the luxury tax too.
agree that this would be a great trade for the Spurs.
but the question is, why should the Bulls do this right now, when they would downgrade their current team significantly and could also wait till summer with a trade for Scola's rights? and this summer we can't include Williams, because his contract has expired.
all in all the Bulls are a very good trade option for different scenarios. I wonder why noone mentions the option to include Buter in such a deal. yes, his value isn't that high, since he didn't play this season, but in general he fulfills the Bulls job describtion for a low post scoring big.
yes, Bulls won't want another slow fat man in the first place, so it would be necessary to take Sweetney of their hands. (who might be more usefull for us this year and has an expiring contract anyhow)
maybe a trade Sweetney+Khryapa for Butler+Bonner could be worked out and then Scola's rights and a pick of the Bulls (they won't give up on the 2007 pick as long as it will be a lottery pick, but maybe the 2008 first rounder?)
I disagree that they significantly downgrade their roster :
- Khryapa is useless to them with Nocioni, Deng, Thomas ...
- Duhon has played a lot but he has been quite bad this year (and horrible lately). Hinrich, Gordon and Sofolosha have been better than him this year. Bulls will be fine at PG/SG with them and Udrih, Griffin at the end of the bench.
- Bulls players are young (except Big Ben). Mavs and Suns are still better than them : they can accept a slighty downgrade this year if it brings them an upgrade in the future.
Spurs can too decide to sign Scola this summer. In that case Scola won't be available.
Scola trade value will likely be higher this summer than Duhon + Khryapa because the FA market for big men is really weak this year. It's a buy low thing for Bulls : they use the fact that Spurs need a long SF and a backup PG to get Scola for cheap. Spurs have asked a first round pick + cash for Scola last summer : Trading only average backup players to get him is a good deal.
So you want that Bulls trade their main low post scoring threat for another one that isn't ready to contribute ?
Butler for Sweetney make few sense for them because Sweetney seems to be better than Butler this year and because Butler can't be considered as a good prospect that will help them in the future.
I don't see why Bulls will do this trade.
Sweetney for Butler is a lateral move at best. Bonner is injured and isn't really usefull for them.
Even if Khryapa doens't play, they have traded a second round pick and the
2nd pick for him and the 4th pick : I'm not sure that they are ready to just give him for a player like Bonner.
Bruno, so we agree that the Bulls are one of the most interesting teams for the Spurs to work out a trade (if not THE most interesting team), but I give you reasons why I think your proposal won't work and you give me reasons, why my proposal won't work.
jesus, I fear we are somehow bad fans
ok, I withdraw the word "significantly" uf you withdraw the words "main low post scoring threat" for a player who is only their 12th man in the rotation, getting a DNP-CD in almost every other game.
my thought here was, that the Bulls for sure have given up on Sweetney and won't try to resign him, while they might see a future option in Butler. I thought Butler might be a teaser for the Bulls to somehow get the IMO most important part of the package for the Spurs, which is getting Khryapa.
one thing is interesting about the current Bulls team makeup IMO. looking at the rotation of the Bulls I would consider any of the Bulls players, who is not part of the regular rotation, as interesting from the Spurs point of view.
(I rank players, who play less than 15 minutes as not part of the rotation)
excluding Thomas and Sefolosha, the remaining players Khryapa, Allen, Sweetney and even Griffin might play a bigger role with the current Spurs than with the Bulls, because they all offer some things the Spurs lack.
the much I would love to get Duhon, I guess we can agree, that it is easier to talk another team into a trade, (in case you don't have something above average to offer), when you are not asking for a core player of the other team.
don't get me wrong, I don't overrate players like Sweetney, Allen or Griffin and think they could get us to another level. I'm just thinking in packages that might help a little part by part. (not that I want all of them, just thinking combinations with Khryapa)
say Griffin. his defense and rebounding ability is something our bench misses.
so a Khryapa+Duhon trade would be great, but a Khryapa+Griffin trade would also help the Spurs and is more realistic to somehow finalize.
Bruno- I used to be against that trade but am more receptive. I just don't think the Spurs pay $3M for a back-up point guard. They're that cheap. And I believe they think they can get more for Scola than this, thinking they can move up in the 2007 draft. And has Duhon been better than Udrih lately?
My POV about Sweetney and Butler is that Butler isn't an attractive project for Bulls. I agree with you that Bulls won't re-sign Swettney but the main reason is his conditionign problems. I don't see Bulls staff ready to get another players with similar conditionning problems. Sweetney doesn't play a lot but he is a situational player sho is quite usefull for them when they need some beef in the paint.
About Bulls no-rotational players : I'm not as "high" as you on them. I don't see Griffin helping us more than Williams and Allen/Sweetney helping su more than Elson/Oberto/Horry/Bonner. THe only no-rotational player I like is Khryapa.
If Chicago wants Scola, they had to give up something Spurs need. Khryapa + crapy players isn't to me a fair return for Scola. Scola is the best PF in europe, is still quite young and can be had for a cheap contract ($9M/3 years) : IMO, is value is higher than a ok prospect like Khryapa. Khryapa + Duhon isn't a great offer too but Spurs should do it if they cna't get a best offer because it solve a lot of their weakness.
If Chicago wants Scola, I don't see them trading for him mid-season. They have no need to, even if that's when the Spurs need new players.
$3M with only one year left is quite cheap contract. Most of the backup PGs are more paid in the league. I don't think Spurs are ready to spend $30M/5 years for a backup PG (players like Watson, Daniels...) but $6M/2 years shouldn't be a problem.
No. Duhon is shooting 6/40 from the field in January. Buy low, my friend , buy low.
I agree it's unlikely but we can imagine Spurs contacting Bulls for saying them that they are interested in Khryapa and that can lead to a Scola trade.
the big difference between the two is, that even without hitting his shots, Duhon still has made some impact on the defensive end and remains a solid playmaker, who doesn't turn the ball over much.
in January he still had 4.8 APG on an outstanding Ass per TO rate of 6.8,
Beno had 2.3 Ass per TO.
so yes, Duhon has been better than Udruh lately.
agree that Duhon is one of the more inexpensive PGs, compared to what he delivers.
I don't know who said, that Spurs would never pay 3 million per year for a back-up PG. why not? I agree that they wouldn't pay 5 million or more, but 3 million for a back-up isn't out of the Spurs usual salary scale.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions