Did .4 Kill Ghost Writer?

[Ghost Writer]

T Park, first of all, Fish hit a two.

Secondly, if Fish could catch, spin and shoot in that amount of time, he certainly could've been fouled first.

Lastly, don't talk out of turn. I'm not the kid behind the counter at your local Taco Cabana.

[Marcus Bryant]

The problem with your theory is that it doesn't take that long to catch and turn. The Lakers knew that whoever caught the rock had to go up with it immediately. With the defender immediately making contact suddenly the time left becomes less important. All that matters is that there is contact before time expires and that the player is in a shooting motion, not that he gets it off in time.

Also you are assuming that whoever is guarding the man who catches the ball can wrap him up in time. Even if the man is there then you have Fisher catching the ball and going up with the shot immediately just as you want the defender to make contact.

Again, act of shooting. 2 free shots at the line.

[Ghost Writer]

Your assumption that the player could be fouled in the act of shooting is as likely as the player getting fouled and not being able to twist around and get in the shooting motion.

The bottom line is that you are convinced that nothing could've been done, while I believe something could've been done.

Even though I don't think Fish ever gets to the line in SA, I'd rather him take 2 FTs with the SBC center going bananas than what actually happened to us.

[Marcus Bryant]

You are asking for the impossible. You want the defender to be able to stay on top of him, yet not foul him before the ball is inbounded and then you want him to foul him before he is able to get into a shooting motion. That's basically impossible.

Again, all Fisher would have needed to do is catch and turn into a shooting motion. Your defender fouls him and then the only question is whether or not there was contact before the shot. And of course there was because you told him to foul.

This is pretty basic . You definitely avoid contact in that situation.

[Ghost Writer]

Nope.

Fisher's shot was possible.

Fouling him first with a foul to give was the thing to do, not take a chance by playing D and not fouling.

There is no way the refs send a Laker to the line in that spot in SA anyway.

[Marcus Bryant]

You forget where Fisher caught the ball. He caught it on his left, away from the defender. He definitely caught, turned, and released in one motion. Based on your argument the defender would have been fouling Fisher just as he had caught, turned, and was elevating. The defender would have been fouling him just as he was in a shooting motion.

2 at the line. Game over.

[Marcus Bryant]

There is no way the refs send a Laker to the line in that spot in SA anyway.

:guffaw

[Marcus Bryant]

You are also forgetting that the defender was not there at the moment that Fisher caught the ball. There was some distance to close and as the defender is closing then Fisher is going up with the ball. Defender makes contact before the horn, shooting foul called, and you just gave him 2 at the line instead of having to hit a shot with a high degree of difficulty.

Again, standard NBA procedure in that situation is to avoid contact for precisely this reason. Figure it out.

[Marcus Bryant]

Did .4 Kill Ghost Writer?

No, but I guess I did.

[Solid D]

withdrew

[Brodels]

Nope.

Fisher's shot was possible.

Fouling him first with a foul to give was the thing to do, not take a chance by playing D and not fouling.

There is no way the refs send a Laker to the line in that spot in SA anyway.

That's insane. Their isn't a coach in the NBA, NBDL, or college basketball who would have asked his players to foul in a situation where avoiding fouls should be the primary goal.

You always make a player convert a tough shot to beat you. You don't give it to him for free. With such a small amount of time on the clock, if the refs see the player even begin to turn to shoot they are going to blow the whistle if he is fouled.

You've got this one wrong. It's as simple as that.

[Solid D]

It's a tar baby argument that ties up valuable time and energy. There are hundreds of thousands of fans, players and coaches who would agree that you don't foul someone when it takes a continuous motion catch and shoot in order to count. Fish the Flopper, as he is known, has fooled refs for years and only the naive would think Fish couldn't flail his arms in a shooting motion, even if he wasn't allowed to catch it cleanly from a foul.

[timvp]

Ghost doesn't get it.

[adidas11]

Ghost Writer vs. DogNazty, Part 3478927348748392.

Actually, I'm going to agree with SpursFan on this one Ghost. You don't foul in that situation, you make the player attempt the impossible shot to beat you.

[GrandeDavid]

Ghost, welcome back from the other side! And best wishes to you and your fiance on your upcoming wedding.

[Ghost Writer]

Yeah, that worked out great, adidad. You're a Laker fan, right?

[IcemanCometh]

You know what, Fisher made a ing great shot under a pressure situation. Kudos to him. His team then used that momentum to slap us silly. But you never fould him under that situation.

[Ghost Writer]

We had a foul to give.

Did we win that series?

Oh, wait... no.

We let him get a shot off that cut our b@lls off.

[timvp]

How the do you foul somone not in the act with .4 seconds to play? He was in shooting motion as he caught the ball.

Wake up.

[IcemanCometh]

Pop made the decision not to foul, it was the correct one. Fisher made a tremendous shot. It's done with. Let it go

[Spurminator]

Did we win that series?

The argument you're pushing is akin to "We lost the game by 8, so we should have launched halfcourt shots for the last minute of the game."

Your schtick is tired.

[Ghost Writer]

Fish caught, spun and shot.

You wake the F' up.

And don't act like I am the only one sitting at home or in the stands that looked up and saw a foul to give and knew we'd somehow blow it.

[IcemanCometh]

The people sitting at home or in the stands are by and large morons who make knee jerk assumptions about a game and players. Kinda like you

[Ghost Writer]

Dope.

Your way failed.

We were the Lakers' b1tches. Once again.

Having afoul to give and not using it is like your dad leaving the condom in his wallet.

Tragedy ensued.

[Marcus Bryant]

Damn you are a dumb .