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[Mr. Body]

Found on a Pacers board:

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Hate to burst any bubbles but this is a paraphrase from Marc Stein of ESPN Insider.


"Informed sources in L.A. insist that the Clips won't do that deal even if Clips coach Mike Dunleavy Sr. keeps lobbying for it."

I don't see them doing it. Dunleavy's contract is too long. One of the appeals of a Brent-Udrih-pick trade is the money goes away quickly.

[FirebatMIV]

apparently the clipps had some interest in something the Spurs had to offer or there would have never been any mention of this in the media. GM's place calls all day, every day to inquire about the availability of players but it never make the news because the offer may not have been viable.

there had to be a deal breaker to the maggs trade, i'm just curious as to what the it was. draft pick, not wanting to take on a long contract?? i'd be more willing to accept it if there was a legit deal breaker. but when pop came out with that BS about not wanting to trade away ball handlers, i wanted to kick him in the nuts and tell him to get a clue

I tend to believe that Peter Holt is one of the worst owners in Sports, so I tend to believe money was the mitigating factor here.

I think Pop and RC, for all their fault, are probably one of the most handicapped frontoffices in professional sports.

[VaSpursFan]

Maybe the deal breaker was the Clippers saying, Nice offer, but we will wait and see what else we get offered from other teams.

that would make me feel better. my interpretation of the info from the media is that the Spurs were hesitant to pull the trigger. Of course, I could have misunderstood.

[Kori Ellis]

that would make me feel better. my interpretation of the info from the media is that the Spurs were hesitant to pull the trigger. Of course, I could have misunderstood.

The Spurs were hesitant to include both ball handlers of Barry and Beno at first. They were probably also hesitant to include a first round pick. But that doesn't mean that the Clippers would have accepted their offer anyway (or that the Spurs never offered Beno/Barry/pick).

[Kori Ellis]

Found on a Pacers board ...

I found that quote in Marc Stein's insider article, and also Chad Ford doesn't think it's happening either.

Ryan(dc): Chad, rumor has it that Dunleavy could be dealt to play with his Dad in LA for Maggette. Do you see this happening ?

Chad Ford: I think Mike Sr. and Mike Jr. would like that to happen. My guess is that the Pacers wouldn't mind it either, though I think Larry Bird is still intrigued by Dunleavy's potential. However, from what I hear, Clippers owner Donald Sterling doesn't want Mike Sr. coaching his son. He thinks it would be a distraction. So I'm not sure that's going to happen.

[VaSpursFan]

I found that quote in Marc Stein's insider article, and also Chad Ford doesn't think it's happening either.

that leaves some hope for us but i'm not holding my breath

[Mr. Body]

that leaves some hope for us but i'm not holding my breath

Don't hold your breath. You'll die! We never make trades until the very last minute, when there's a fun chance the deadline might expire.

[VaSpursFan]

Don't hold your breath. You'll die! We never make trades until the very last minute, when there's a fun chance the deadline might expire.

talk about incompetence

if anything GS and Milwaukee has shown teams that the time to trade is now, eff waiting until the dealine. i'm hoping we follow their lead...and if not

[Big P]

Maybe the deal breaker was the Clippers saying, Nice offer, but we will wait and see what else we get offered from other teams.

Exactly.

[Mr. Body]

Maybe the deal breaker was the Clippers saying, Nice offer, but we will wait and see what else we get offered from other teams.

Returning to that... What we were left with were potential offers from Miami, San Antonio, Toronto, and maybe Utah.

Miami's was refused straight away. Probably was James Posey or Antoine Walker.

Utah's is a mystery. CJ Miles, Giricek, or something?

Toronto's might have been Morris Peterson. Fine player, but not sure Clips want to lose Maggette for a guy they'd have only for half of one year.

San Antonio's Barry+Beno/Bonner. Not sure what it was.

Those aren't great offers. Clippers might have intentionally floated the idea they could get Artest for Maggette to drive the price up.

I think it was left with the Clips liking what San Antonio was offering - it fulfilled the 'veteran player, young prospect, future draft pick' demand two thirds of the way - and they left either with San Antonio walking away without offering the pick, or not wanting to give up their two bench ballhandlers (as Pop said) or the Clippers holding out for some team to get desperate and offering that first round pick.

I no longer believe the Dunleavy rumor. That doesn't seem correct.

[texas84]

To my knowledge, a player cannot be traded again within 3 months time of a previous trade. I believe everyone involved in that trade is stuck with their new team until a) the offseason or b) they are released/bought out.

If this is true, then no trade involving Dunleavy can occur this year, since the trade deadline will have passed by the time the 3 month waiting period had ended.

[Mr. Body]

Adding to previous post...

Last night we have a cryptic comment from Pop about the 8-player Indy/GSW trade:

While Popovich said it's too early to judge the impact of the trade, he does think it might cause other teams more aggressively evaluate their own rosters.

"It might make some other teams think about doing something earlier than usual," he said, "instead of waiting until the day of trade deadline and holding your cards until then.

"If you're going to do something, get it done, so you can get your new team and start working with them."

... which seems on the face of it to address the Clippers specifically. Why else would Pop say this unless there were some trade pending but another team was dragging their feet on it? It seems just as pointed as when the Clips specifically demanded a "veteran player, young talent, PLUS a future first round pick"; I can't think they were directing that at anybody else but the Spurs. Obviously they talk to each other directly, but sometimes need to broadcast requests and offers via the media.

[VaSpursFan]

Adding to previous post...

Last night we have a cryptic comment from Pop about the 8-player Indy/GSW trade:



... which seems on the face of it to address the Clippers specifically. Why else would Pop say this unless there were some trade pending but another team was dragging their feet on it? It seems just as pointed as when the Clips specifically demanded a "veteran player, young talent, PLUS a future first round pick"; I can't think they were directing that at anybody else but the Spurs. Obviously they talk to each other directly, but sometimes need to broadcast requests and offers via the media.

baylor and bufored need to takes their heads out of their asses and get it done. pops ready to pull the trigger and i like that. i just hope sterling doesn't this up.

[sungo99]

To my knowledge, a player cannot be traded again within 3 months time of a previous trade. I believe everyone involved in that trade is stuck with their new team until a) the offseason or b) they are released/bought out.

If this is true, then no trade involving Dunleavy can occur this year, since the trade deadline will have passed by the time the 3 month waiting period had ended.

Today Hollinger said any of the eight players can be traded before the trading deadline as long as it is NOT part of a multiplayer deal.

[Kori Ellis]

Today Hollinger said any of the eight players can be traded before the trading deadline as long as it is NOT part of a multiplayer deal.

That's correct.

Each player that was traded can be traded again ALONE immediately.
If they want to trade the player in a package, they have to wait 2 months.

[GrandeDavid]

Maybe coach popazit knows something because he already said that might as well start making plans for an early vacation.

A freaking KNICKS fan talking smack about anything related to the San Antonio Spurs? Are you kidding me!? What is the world coming to!?

That´s like the Principality of Sealand (http://www.sealandgov.org/) talking military smack to Britain. Just doesn't make much sense in the intelligent world.

[pad300]

Adding to previous post...

Last night we have a cryptic comment from Pop about the 8-player Indy/GSW trade:



... which seems on the face of it to address the Clippers specifically. Why else would Pop say this unless there were some trade pending but another team was dragging their feet on it? It seems just as pointed as when the Clips specifically demanded a "veteran player, young talent, PLUS a future first round pick"; I can't think they were directing that at anybody else but the Spurs. Obviously they talk to each other directly, but sometimes need to broadcast requests and offers via the media.

My answer to that supposition is give the Clippers the 2008 1st, but ask for Maguette AND Singlton back. Singleton would give us another potential option for the 3/4 spot, particularly the small-ball 4. He could be VERY useful, and he has only played 5% of the available minutes for the Clippers this year.

[pad300]

A freaking KNICKS fan talking smack about anything related to the San Antonio Spurs? Are you kidding me!? What is the world coming to!?

That´s like the Principality of Sealand (http://www.sealandgov.org/) talking military smack to Britain. Just doesn't make much sense in the intelligent world.

Hey, NY is a big city; Drugs are occasionally a problem...

[timvp]

1. I'm convinced that there was a time when the Clippers were sucking and Maggette was constantly complaining that the Spurs could have had him for Barry, Udrih and a pick. That was back when Barry was shooting better than anyone in the league and Udrih was looking like a decent prospect. The Spurs decided not to do it at the time. Then the Spurs realized that they needed Maggette, but by then the Clippers had started to get healthy, Maggette had shutup, Barry couldn't hit a shot and Udrih looked like the worst player in the NBA. Spurs hesitated and it burned them.

2. Dunleavy for Maggette could happen, but I don't think it's a lock. Sr. coaching Jr. could turn into a disaster, and the Clippers realize that. Jr. has a horrible contract and the Clippers are looking to slash salary, not add it. Plus, the Pacers could have had Maggette last year but spurned the deal at the last second.

The Spurs could still land Maggette but it's pretty doubtful. Basically, no other team in the league will have to get desperate and the Spurs' offer will have to win by default.

[VaSpursFan]

1. I'm convinced that there was a time when the Clippers were sucking and Maggette was constantly complaining that the Spurs could have had him for Barry, Udrih and a pick. That was back when Barry was shooting better than anyone in the league and Udrih was looking like a decent prospect. The Spurs decided not to do it at the time. Then the Spurs realized that they needed Maggette, but by then the Clippers had started to get healthy, Maggette had shutup, Barry couldn't hit a shot and Udrih looked like the worst player in the NBA. Spurs hesitated and it burned them.

i feel the same way. why you hesitate on a trade where you get younger is beyond me. the FO does some really weird sometimes.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

To my knowledge, a player cannot be traded again within 3 months time of a previous trade. I believe everyone involved in that trade is stuck with their new team until a) the offseason or b) they are released/bought out.

If this is true, then no trade involving Dunleavy can occur this year, since the trade deadline will have passed by the time the 3 month waiting period had ended.

You can't trade them as part of another package, but you can trade them as a player for player deal.

[Mr. Body]

1. I'm convinced that there was a time when the Clippers were sucking and Maggette was constantly complaining that the Spurs could have had him for Barry, Udrih and a pick. That was back when Barry was shooting better than anyone in the league and Udrih was looking like a decent prospect. The Spurs decided not to do it at the time. Then the Spurs realized that they needed Maggette, but by then the Clippers had started to get healthy, Maggette had shutup, Barry couldn't hit a shot and Udrih looked like the worst player in the NBA. Spurs hesitated and it burned them.

I'm not so sure. Partly, yeah. We could have Maggette by now. But Barry's still playing well enough - he had a good game vs. the Lakers - and the change in performance is team-wide, not isolated to Barry at all. Like we've said before, nobody thinks trading for a hot player will keep them hot, or a cold player will necessarily stay cold, because it's much more complicated than that. Front offices can see further than five feet in front and behind them.

2. Dunleavy for Maggette could happen, but I don't think it's a lock. Sr. coaching Jr. could turn into a disaster, and the Clippers realize that. Jr. has a horrible contract and the Clippers are looking to slash salary, not add it. Plus, the Pacers could have had Maggette last year but spurned the deal at the last second.

IIRC, the Pacers withdrew the offer for Maggette because of his injury. They still clearly want him and it looks like another Pacers trade has to be in the works somewhere if for Maggette or otherwise. I don't think the Clippers ultimately want Dunleavy, Jr.

The Spurs could still land Maggette but it's pretty doubtful. Basically, no other team in the league will have to get desperate and the Spurs' offer will have to win by default.

Again, who is offering what? Is there a better offer out there? I really don't think so, although I think the Clippers' best deal is to start Maggette, get him happy, and forget trading him. They're not going to get the equivalent in trade. But their coach doesn't like him (and may be trying to force a trade for his son).

Pop's cryptic comment about teams realizing they need to make a trade sooner rather than later, in order to get their players together sooner, seemed curiously precise to not be directed at somebody. The odds of Maggette as a Spur... well, I still think the ball's in SAS's court. If they want Maggette, they can get him.

[Supergirl]

Now the Spurs need to go get him (or someone else) from GS. There's no way they keep all five of those swingmen.

INDEED.
More than Jax, who is a headcase to go with all that talent, I'd love to see the Spurs nab Matt Barnes from GS. I know they've wanted him in the past. But he's said he wants to stay in the Bay Area...

I'd be happy to see Jax back though, only because I know he thrived under the leadership of TD and others...

[AFBlue]

INDEED.
More than Jax, who is a headcase to go with all that talent, I'd love to see the Spurs nab Matt Barnes from GS. I know they've wanted him in the past. But he's said he wants to stay in the Bay Area...

I'd be happy to see Jax back though, only because I know he thrived under the leadership of TD and others...

Pietrus would be nice...but probably impossible to get without taking on a monstrous contract like Foyle.

[Budkin]

Manu and Jax ala 2003 would be awesome. Ony now Manu would start and Jax would come off the bench. I'd take him back in a second, but I think Pop is still holding a grudge against him for not resigning in 2003.