Not all Christians, just like not all Muslims, are religious fanatics. Too often we fall to generalizations and sterotyping people without knowing the facts.
I would argue, however, that fanatical Christians are misinterpreting their canon whereas it is the non-fanatical Muslims that are misinterpreting theirs.
I'm just saying...
So true.
I don't understand why some hate religious people so much.
From what do you base this thesis? Who is to say, when rarely will you find two people with the same translation, whom is the one in the wrong? The Bible, and the Kuran, can each mean any dozens of things, and to say that you can determine who is reading it in the wrong light is absurd to say the least.
Some people's dogma seem awfuly religious to me
There are no secularist in the fox-hole. I think people get caught up in trying to find too much actuality in stories in the Bible, as well as other religious text that serve as the base for other religions. Don’t take the meaning so literally. Religion to me is more like a philosophy everyone should live by, the stories meant to teach life lessons about survival, self-sacrifice, faith, humanity, etc… but they are not always factually correct, nor could they have ever been given what man knew then about the social sciences and the eventual feminization of society.
So, how to explain the near unanimous cry of "Allahu Ahkbar," whenever a Muslim engages in a hostile act of war or terrorism.
I can't think of any other military or quasi-military organization that invokes God as they commit acts of violence against their enemy.
I assume you are limiting yourself to the present day.
I think it means "thanks in advance".
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Yes. We are talking about contemporary misapplication of religious canon, are we not?
Yeah, but do they invoke God on every tackle or score? Every player? In every Game?high school football teams pray to god before doing violence to their opponents
People often invoke God as a defense mechanism to clear their conscience or calm their fears in preparation for what they are about to do.
Yeah...that's not my impression of why Zarqawi was screeching "Allahu Ahkbar" as he sawed Nick Berg's head off.
Zarqawi was also a recruiter.
Are there any detainees at Quantanamo Bay that don't have a Quran, prayer mat, and an arrow pointing to Mecca in their cell?
Is there a connection between the Madrassas and Islamic terrorism?
What about the large percentage of Mullahs and Mosques that seem to be at the center of Islamic terrorism?
Fatwas?
I don't know, are there?Are there any detainees at Quantanamo Bay that don't have a Quran, prayer mat, and an arrow pointing to Mecca in their cell?
Islamic terrorists are most likely going to practice Islam. No . I don't see what this has to do with the run-of-the-mill Muslims living in the house next to me.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...ed-sample.html
If your goal is to show that the Islamic faith, by nature, is a violent faith, then your evidence should be pulled from Koran passages, not the actions of its most fanatical followers.
And those passages have been posted ad nauseum, here and elsewhere. I don't have the Quran handy.
Certainly, Osama bin Laden, Zarqawi, and, most recently, Zawahri have quoted extensively from the Quran in justifying their actions. I can't think of another contemporary military or quasi-military force that quotes extensively from a religious canon as justification for their hostile actions.
That's a classic. Surprised no one else pick up on this one.
How far we have come:
Religion is the opium of the people. This is probably the best-known quotation by Karl Marx.
Dante, said, "If God did not exist, man would invent him"
On the subject of quotations, religion and philosophy, here's one that rings true:
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything" - Friedrich Nietzsche
Then maybe the argument has been exhausted.
So? Again, people throughout history have quoted religious texts for a number of reasons.Certainly, Osama bin Laden, Zarqawi, and, most recently, Zawahri have quoted extensively from the Quran in justifying their actions. I can't think of another contemporary military or quasi-military force that quotes extensively from a religious canon as justification for their hostile actions.
And if you're trying to make a point about Islam (or religion) itself, then you shouldn't have to limit yourself to contemporary militaries. Except for translation, neither the Bible nor the Koran has changed since it was written.
That's probably true.
Yes, but few have used their doctrine as the divining reason for committing military actions. Sure, they've relied on their canon to seek guidance and even authority for such escapades but, rarely has anyone -- except Muslims -- said their doctrine told them to war.
And, if they did, I would argue they've misinterpreted their canon. Not the case with Islam -- who have, as far as I know, been quoting the Quran for such exploits, since the days of Mohammed without any internal disabusal of the notion.
I've yet to see a "moderate" muslim argue the texts quoted by bin Laden and company don't actually mean what bin Laden and company say they mean; they typically point to other passages in the Quran and ignore the elephant in the room.
But, that's precisely the point. Other religions have evolved to the point where misintrepretation of the scriptures is less common -- the actual spirit and meaning of scripture are not what past generations and civilizations have said they are; and, we're better for it.
Either Islam has not evolved or their canon is exactly what the terrorists say it is.
So perhaps the problem is not so much Islam itself as a "defective" religion, but rather the medieval tendencies of contemporary Muslim cultures.
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