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    Gee, what a shock. ploto is bashing Jackie Butler and propping Javtokas.
    I would take a guy who some thought would hardly ever walk again and who busted his ass to get back to basketball over a fat lard who showed up in September really overweight and out of shape.

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    I would take a guy who some thought would hardly ever walk again and who busted his ass to get back to basketball over a fat lard who showed up in September really overweight and out of shape.
    Pat Riley deactivated Ant Walker and another Heat player to send a message.
    Did they lose salary?

    Was Fatler guaranteed paydays when he showed up fat?

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    I would take a guy who some thought would hardly ever walk again and who busted his ass to get back to basketball over a fat lard who showed up in September really overweight and out of shape.
    Just because he busted his tail off to walk again and play basketball doesn't make him good or useful.

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    I would take a guy who some thought would hardly ever walk again and who busted his ass to get back to basketball over a fat lard who showed up in September really overweight and out of shape.
    For what it's worth, and it's probably not much, Javtokas would have actually seen the floor this year. Butler's been that bad.

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    this has got to be the worst season and offseason transactions for the spurs, first round exit here we come, bahamas here we fishing

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    this has got to be the worst season and offseason transactions for the spurs
    good god get a brain.

    Bonner is a pretty damn good player. Elson I would say if anything is a pretty darn good bench center, maybe not starting, but damn good bench center.
    THe jury is out on Butler, James White may turn into something, hes too young as well to know anything.

    Get a clue.

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    It was a disappointing offseason by the end of the summer. We kept trying to convince ourselves there was some deal around the corner - when Williams and Bonner became eligible for group trades after two months, and so on - and when the season started we consoled ourselves with there being a trade before the deadline. There was a modi of happiness when we stole James White, but around the same time Butler started looking bust-like. That said, I'm sure the Chucky Brown summer was worse.

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    but around the same time Butler started looking bust-like.
    The guy is 21 and is a bust?

    Man you guys are tough.

    Javtokas is 28 and hes not a bust though.

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    'Bust-like' is an adjective formed using common rules of English grammar. The 'like' at the end means the object it relates to is almost literally 'like' the thing the word before the hyphen refers to. It is a comparison, therefore, someone's singing voice can be deemed 'sparrow-like', which is not to say it is exactly like a sparrow's, or that person has magically transformed into a small bird. It is to say that that singing voice is simply 'like a sparrow.' In a similar fashion, calling a player like Butler 'bust-like' does not immediately suggest he is a bust, rather that he looks very much like one. Note:

    This is not to say he is NOT a bust; by definition, a bust is always and already 'bust-like' the same way a swallow is always and already 'swallow-like'. It is also not to say he cannot sufficiently be labelled a bust at some point in his career, sooner rather than later.

    Capice? (italian for: unnerstan?)

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    And where are all the people who claimed that Butler would be starting by All-Star break?
    They are here, and they were wrong. Does it matter? People claim all the time and most of it doesn't come true. You're the worst kind of troll.

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    the Bulls missed a shot, the rebound bounced right to him and he didn’t move a half-foot to get it. One of Chicago’s players went around him, grabbed the ball and put it back up for a layup.
    To be fair to Butler that player for Chicago happened to be Tyrus Thomas.

    It's not much, but it's not like it was some scrub.

    Javtokas is 28 and hes not a bust though.
    Javtokas turns 27 in March.

    And the reason he doesn't play in Greece isn't as clear cut as him being a scrub or a bust, there's other considerations.

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    To be fair to Butler that player for Chicago happened to be Tyrus Thomas.

    It's not much, but it's not like it was some scrub.

    Dood, it doesn't matter if its Hakeem Olajuwon.......

    When the ball comes right to you, get up and git that !!!!

    Butler looks as if his feet are mired in dog most of the time. Can we get a new pair of shoes for this guy at least?!?!?!

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    I think it's more a fact that the Spurs aren't getting their money's worth, referring to Butler. We only have him for 2-3 seasons. It would stink to have him sit 2 years, play outstanding one year, then bolt.

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    When the ball comes right to you, get up and git that !!!!
    I don't disagree that he should have gotten the rebound, I'm just saying that Thomas can make a lot of guys look bad when he crashes the boards.

    That said . . .

    I'm not surprised by how bad Butler has looked on the court when he has gotten playing time.

    Anybody who paid attention to his games against the Spurs last year would have seen how Oberto was beating him up and down the court every time. When Oberto is looking fast in comparison to a player . . . that's bad.

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    This thread is damn funny. The panic in Spursdom has made Spurs fans crazy.

    Butler has played 20 minutes this year and Spurs fans act as if that is enough to even give a scouting report on a player. Even if Butler had 20 points and 10 rebounds in those 20 minutes, he still wouldn't be getting playing time.

    For those who can't count, the Spurs have two centers ahead of him in the rotation. And once the season started, it became obvious that there'd be no way for him to beat out Oberto or Elson. It's just not going to happen because the Spurs have decided to go with those two for this season.

    And it fits right in with the way the Spurs manage salaries. Just like it was planned to get rid of Rasho and let Nazr walk, it is planned for Elson and Oberto to be the centers this year. The same people bashing Butler now are the same people who last year were saying that Oberto was a bust.

    It's all just part of the plan. When Horry, Oberto and Elson come off the books after next season, the Spurs will have a 23-year-old Butler ready to take over the minutes. They'll also have Mahinmi ready to come from overseas. And guess who will be a free agent for the first time in a decade ... the one and only Luis Scola.

    These Spurs might not be the best scouting outfit ever assembled, but they are always way ahead of the curve in terms of planning. It's not a mistake that Elson, Oberto and Horry's contracts all end the same summer. It's no coincedence that Butler is signed for one additional year.

    I expect Butler to play only a couple more minutes this year. Next year, as long as he stays on the boat and doesn't fall off, he'll see his minutes pick up a little more. But 2008-09, I expect him to be starting.

    I wish the Spurs would play Butler this year and give him a chance to see what he can and can't do, but I can see what the thinking is. It's going to be hard enough to get Oberto, Elson and Horry minutes in the playoffs. And it doesn't make sense to stash one of those three players because all three of them are old.

    Butler is the odd man out for now but it would be like that no matter what he showed in his one minute of playing time versus Chicago a month ago.

    It's part of the plan.

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    Well, I guess 3 les were enough.

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    I'll say it again. It's damn weird and unimpressive that Butler is so passive and uninterested when he hits the floor.

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    I'll say it again. It's damn weird and unimpressive that Butler is so passive and uninterested when he hits the floor.
    Based on two minutes played in the last seven weeks.

    Gotcha




    Ignoring that Butler outplayed Elson in preseason, of course.

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    So the Spurs waste money on Butler so he can sit on a fukin bench when they had numerous other options to sign a player that can contribute while Duncan still has some sugar left in his tank....

    Fukin great.

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    We will see if he works out.

    His energy in the time played though was less than impressive.

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    So the Spurs waste money on Butler so he can sit on a fukin bench when they had numerous other options to sign a player that can contribute while Duncan still has some sugar left in his tank....

    Fukin great.
    Did you just call Duncan out as being sexual?

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    Did you just call Duncan out as being sexual?

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    no I meant sugar.

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