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holt's not the problem. he's far from being the only tight-wad owner in the league. personnel decesions are what's hurting the team.
Oprah would move the spurs to Chicago to become a NBA 2-team city...
Money can't buy you everything people! Look at the Knicks. They got money to burn and they still suck! Imagine, the Knicks money and the Spurs front office combined?!
holt's not the problem. he's far from being the only tight-wad owner in the league. personnel decesions are what's hurting the team.
But he is involved in these decisons- more than people realize.
Which part is untrue? Holt doesn't know anything about basketball.
As to the latter part, if they don't put any pieces around Tim, he's going to walk away from this franchise next year when he becomes a free agent.
He almost left once before when it looked like the Spurs weren't going to surround him with players. Or do you think a 45 year old Jacque Vaughn, 330 year old Michael Finley, 200 year old Brent Barry, and 800 year old Robert Horry are going to convince him to stick around?
well, i would hope he is. he's the owner. however, peter holt didn't scout beno, and he probably didn't propose the signing of one ty ass mike finley. holt writes the checks and gives the final o.k. i assume but seeing as how his expertise is tractors and not basketball, i doubt he's coming up with possible trade scenarios and free-agent signings. that's what i meant by personnel decisions.
These attacks on the ownership have always frustrated me, because it's like people expect the ownership group to treat the Spurs like they're a charity or something. The owners (or their families) made their money, invested it in a team, and continue to spend it every year in an effort to both make a profit, and compete for a championship. It probably isn't the most financially prudent way to invest that many milions of dollars, but clearly making money isn't the sole reason for owning an NBA team. Otherwise, you get owners like sterling, who for years let his promising talent walk so that he could turn the most profit he possibly could.
In Peter Holt, what we have is an owner who is willing to spend on those players his front office chooses to go after, with the front office understanding that the owner simply doesn't have as much money as the mark cubans of the world. He CAN'T spend like those people, and I don't believe that his desire to make some profit makes him cheap. Its his investment, and unlike for fans, winning isn't the only outcome. These are millions of his dollars we're talking about. Should he keep spending to the point where he is no longer making money off the team? Or until he actually loses money because the salaries are so high? I don't think it is very reasonable to ask that of ownership. Holt puts a financially responsibe team on the floor that is still consistently in a position to win a le, and I'm proud to support a team that has won without spending like the knicks, blazers of old, or mavs. If fans get fed up with Holt's spending practices, there is always the opportunity to stop going to games and buying spurs merchandise, which would provide a financial incentive for him to put a better product on the floor... but we won't do that, so instead we complain about ownership because it's easier to than to put ourselves in the other person's shoes or to stop supporting our team.
You know it took quite an intervention from Pop to get Tony a contract extension for below his market value. You also know it is Holt who has dictated the salary dumping that has led to trades for financial and not basketball reasons.In Peter Holt, what we have is an owner who is willing to spend on those players his front office chooses to go after
"You also know it is Holt who has dictated the salary dumping that has led to trades for financial and not basketball reasons."
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Exactly. Financial considerations ARE important to Holt, and that isn't unreasonable... but the front office said to give Tony his extension, and in the end, he got it. Whether it took a recommendation or "quite an intervention"...
Holt isn't a cheap owner. Lest year, Sprus have paid the luxury tax and this year only three are curently over the tax (Spurs, Mavs and Knicks). If people wnat that ownership spend more money they should ask that the relocation of the team in a bigger city.
Loyal spurs fans shave been spoiled, the loyal Warriors fan deserve ten times more to have a ring than the loyal Spurs fan.
Duncan doesn't deserve more. 07' Duncan is far from being an MVP. Dirk or Nash deserve ten times more than Duncan to have a ring this season.
The next big spender won't be from SA. Perhaps you don't recall that probably the richest man in SA --McCombs--never spent to get a championship. He wrote off the team and sold out to get into the real big boys game of the NFL along with Tom Benson.
Holt stepped in when the team might have gone elsewhere and publicly stated he bought it so San Antonio would keep the Spurs. It was a matter of civic pride, not a great business opportunity.
So who in SA is rich enough to put out the money to buy this team--and commit to keeping it here? Get out your Dun & Bradstreet boys and read 'em and weep.
It's not as though San Antonio has an endless supply of rich fools in line to not only take on a risky investment that can lose money every year, but to endure the criticism of fools that don't have two cents to rub together about how they should spend their money.
Keep in' and moaning about Holt. The next fool in line will be from out of town and will move the team to a bigger market venue. Book it.
Maybe Donald Trump could buy the Spurs (lol). The he can have more publicity going head to head with Mark Cuban!
Problem is, Knicks haven't had a franchise player in forever. Knicks have gone through millions trying to make up for that.
Personnel decisions limited by the pursestrings.
Who is this freespending new owner?
spurs are over the cap
pretty hard to buy more talent now
We'll see what happens down the stretch when it becomes apparent the Spurs aren't a legit championship contender. By this point maybe Spurs fans have wisened up. Maybe that will spark a change.
Wow. Spurs paid the lux tax last year. That negates the 5 seasons prior in which they did not. When you consider that the team controls all of the revenues from the facility they play in, it's appalling. The voters didn't grant that so they could do milk it. It was so the team would have every advantage, be it from a basketball friendly arena to no fiscal limitations every season.
The supporting cast could be significantly better if there was not this barrier to taking on deals with more than one more season left on them.
he makes more then duncan
Oddly enough, Kidd's contract ends in '09 with a player option after '08. Doubtful he would exercise that, but if he could lock in a sizable extension, it would not be surprising. Hmmm...Peter gets rid of Parker's contract that ends at the end of the 3rd Clinton term. Wouldn't surprise me.
why drob carried much less talent for a greater period of time and got blamed for all the franchise woes...timmy is carrying a veteran team to the playoff where it starts all over again and can carry them as far as he wants. what was painful to me was watching drob put all those w's in a season basically alone and not ever getting any help until pop and timmy took over the team. let timmy carry them for a while
This is such a myth about SA folks having no money...It's not as though San Antonio has an endless supply of rich fools in line to not only take on a risky investment that can lose money every year, but to endure the criticism of fools that don't have two cents to rub together about how they should spend their money.
Keep in' and moaning about Holt. The next fool in line will be from out of town and will move the team to a bigger market venue. Book it.
* Lowry Mays just sold Clear Channel for a couple of billion
* You've got USAA and Toyota in town
* The Butt family (HEB) has net worth over a billion
* Name escapes me but the former president and CEO of Dr. Pepper lives there
* Former president of Southwestern Bell does too
* Frost Bank is a part owner already
It's small wonder Red and now Pete have seen little static in the Alamo City.
man, I cant WAIT to see how this board reacts when Timmy retires and we are back to square one pre-admiral days....
How about when he signs with another team in '08?
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