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I agree.
For me, it is all about proper perspective and balance. I'm for being patriotic and being proud of your heritage as long as it's expressed in a way that is respectful and considerate of others.
yah what a great forum to post at....
On Hurricane Katrina
9/11 > Katrina x 100000
I'm a little more concerned about terrorism than I am about the forces of nature. I'm pretty sure the rest of the country is too. As for approval rating...do you actually think the guy gives a about it?
what a great forum....
I agree.
For me, it is all about proper perspective and balance. I'm for being patriotic and being proud of your heritage as long as it's expressed in a way that is respectful and considerate of others.
**makes hand signal for airplane flying over fillpot's fro**
My understanding is that Obama was born and raised a muslim. I realize he converted to christianity, but still...
cant reply cuz my statement makes perfect sense......
Good post. There's no need for a "white" Miss America because 90% of them are already white.
This meme has gotten out there pretty successfully, though it is outrageously false.
By primary time, Democratic voters will be convinced he is the al-Qaeda Manchurian Candidate.
I don't know all of his history, but isn't the truth that his mom is a Christian from Kansas and his birth father was an agnostic (whose parents were Muslim)?
How is it outrageously false? I think it's pretty well known now that his stepfather was muslim. Maybe not devout muslim, but muslim nonetheless.
His stepdad was non-practicing Muslim. So how does that make Obama Muslim?
He's got them thar Muslim blood in his veins.
His stepfather gave him the muslim name Hussein, which he rarely uses in public. He went to a Madrassa (muslim school) while he grew up in Indonesia. Sounds muslim to me.
You appear to be spectacularly misinformed on the subject.
1) His mother was NOT Muslim.
2) His father was nominally Muslim.
3) Obama's father left when Barack was 2 years old.
4) Obama was in an Indonesian public school from the ages of 6 to 8, after which he transferred to a Catholic school.
5) After the age of 10, he lived with his maternal grandparents in Hawaii.
6) His upbringing was secular.
Based on the facts, it would be very difficult to conclude that Islam was significant in Obama's youth.
The fabrication that Obama was raised as a Muslim was started by the Religious Right political magazine Insight. There has been a big controversy over Obama in evangelical Christian circles since he was invited to speak at an AIDS conference at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church.
The "madrassa" was a public school in Indonesia. Contrary to fabrications that the school in question was a terrorist training school run by the Wahabbi sect, an investigation by journalists who are not outright liars showed it to be an unremarkable public school, although it did offer classes in both the Qu'ran and New Testament.
From Insight magazine...
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/Medi...er/Obama_2.htm
Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background
Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?
This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.
An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.
"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."
When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obama’s press secretary said he would consult with “his boss” and call back. He did not.
Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.
"The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive."
In two best-selling autobiographies—"The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"—Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a "predominantly Muslim school."
The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public.
His father was black and came from Kenya. Mr. Obama’s mother, the daughter of a farmer, came from Wichita, Kansas. Mr. Obama's parents divorced when he was two years old. His father returned to Kenya.
Later, Mr. Obama's mother married an Indonesian student and the family moved to Jakarta. Mr. Obama returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents.
The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.
Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the case—and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam.
Mr. Obama attends services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago’s South Side. However, he is not known to be a regular parishioner.
"Obama's education began a life-long relationship with Islam as a faith and Muslims as a community," the source said. "This has been a relationship that contains numerous question marks."
The sources said Mr. Obama spent at least four years in a Muslim school in Indonesia. They said when Mr. Obama was 10, his mother and her second husband separated. She and her son returned to Hawaii.
"Then the official biography begins," the source said. "Obama never returned to Kenya to see relatives or family until it became politically expedient."
In both of his autobiographies, Mr. Obama characterizes himself as a Christian—although he describes his upbringing as mostly secular.
In “The Audacity of Hope,” Mr. Obama says, "I was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother as secular, but says she had copies of the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita in their home.
Mr. Obama says his father was "raised a Muslim, but by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist...." Mr. Obama also describes his father as largely absent from his life. He says his Indonesian stepfather was "skeptical" about religion and "saw religion as not particularly useful in the practical business of making one's way in the world ...."
In the book, Mr. Obama briefly addresses his education in Indonesia. "During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables."
Mr. Obama graduated from Columbia University and Harvard Law School; he became the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review. He later settled in Chicago, joined a law firm and began attending and helping local churches.
Mr. Obama is married to Mic e Robinson and they have two daughters, Malia and Sasha. In 1996, he was elected to the Illinois state Senate. Eight years later, he became a U.S. senator from Illinois.
The sources said Ms. Clinton regards Mr. Obama as her most formidable opponent and the biggest obstacle to the Democratic Party’s 2008 presidential nomination. They said Ms. Clinton has been angered by Mr. Obama's efforts to tap her supporters for donations.
In late 2006, when the Illinois senator demonstrated his intention to run for president, the Clinton campaign ordered a background check on Mr. Obama, the sources said. Earlier this week, Mr. Obama established an exploratory committee, the first step toward a formal race.
Sometimes it is remarkable to behold how "Christians" like the folks at Insight Magazine will resort to baldfaced lies.
As I mentioned in the political forum, this doesn't even really have to do with Obama as a candidate. It wouldn't make much sense to run the smear campaign against him now, unless the Religious Right has some wink-wink-nudge-nudge agreement with Hillary Clinton.
This has to do more with the effect of Obama's rhetoric on evangelical white Christians. He has a remarkable ability to make very liberal ideas sound like the logical conclusion of Christian faith to those who are easily swayed.
Obama is too untrustworthy to be president.
We need a Real Murican with Real Murican values to step forth, like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He's not Murican anymore, not since he got stem cell funding and greenhouse gas regulations passed in California, and is now working on statewide universal health care.
Yeah, but wasn't his dad some sort of alleged Nazi? Doesn't that make him untrustworthy, following some of the logic in this thread?
If there were a really strong movement to change the Cons ution so that the Governator could run for President, you could have had a stinging point.
Racist? With a name like Obama Hussein, I'm just glad he isn't walking around blowing things up and declaring jihads like the rest of those cow worshiping muslims.
Karl Rove can't wait until Obama is officially in the ring.
Err... W doesn't get to run for a third term.
He might try to argue that his executive powers as Commander in Chief give him the power to decide if and when he leaves office, inasmuch as we are embroiled in a Global War on Terror, but he's not going to be elected President in 2008.
Karl Rove != George W. Bush. You think somebody won't hire him as a consultant?
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