if i told you that george bush called me and told me that they have surveillance on you, would you say that you know for a fact the government is watching you?
it's not a fact. it's witness by somebody who didn't witness the event, it's called hearsay.
You can't be sure about that unless you're working in the FO or if they just came out and admitted to sending tapes. There is one team that I'm SURE sends tapes. Sends tapes, posts videos on blogs, lobbies to get rules changed to favor their superstar, etc. That I'm sure of.
oh f**k you had to bring Bush into the discussion. This thread will never die now.
the only person serving kool-aid is greg anthony. he doesn't know anything, and you're buying. btw, it's flavor-aid. next time try to use the correct inference.
lol, yeah this is true...my fingers just went flying in response to the " ass mavs" commentSure they do.
However, in the case, I don't think anyone needed to send the tape to the league. Manu was bleeding. The "hit" was being talked about everywhere. The league probably was already reviewing it by morning.
I think the most likely person to send this tape to the league though was Isiah, not Pop
legally this is correct. That is why if you go to court you can not speak about people who are not there in person do defend themselves, because it is heresay.
LMFAO, dude, Dirk doesn't need any favors. Cuban may be a hot-head but wgaf, he'a fan with a lot of money who just happens to own a team. He's no different than all the people in here calling Kobe a dirty player, complaining about how Dirk flops, etc. You just hate on him because he acts like a fan and has the money and presence to at least try and make his voice heard with the league....I know lots of fans who would kill to have that kind of weight with their favorite team. I'm not a huge fan of Cuban so chill, but I can understand where he's coming from, he's just looking after his favorite team. I could care less if the Spurs sent the tape in, they need to do whatever they need to do to take care of their team and get an edge, it's part of the game. Acting like you don't engage in it is a different matter, no need to act holier than thou when everybody's doing it. Vague responses from Pop, while a much calmer approach than Cuban, doesn't mean that practices are different when it comes to lobbying and tapes.
You guys can discuss hearsay all you want. My point has nothing to do with hearsay.
My point was this: if someone the Spurs organization placed a call to Stu Jackson, asking him to look at that play, and if Stu Jackson told Greg Anthony that someone in the Spurs organization called and asked that the play be reviewed, the veracity of Anthony's statements wouldn't be subject to any real question. My post was just a hypothesis about how Greg Anthony could conceivably have learned that the Spurs called the league for a fact based on a discussion with someone in the league office. Since the possibility of a relationship between Anthony and Jackson exists, my hypothesis was one fairly reasonable explanation for Anthony's statements last night.
I'm not saying that any of those things happened, but if they did, you'd be hard-pressed to refute that Anthony knew "for a fact" that the Spurs had called the league.
I also find it disgusting that Anthony and others are turning this back on the Spurs. Surely, if the situation had been reversed -- if Manu had socked Kobe in exactly the same way and been suspended for that based, presumptively, upon urging from the Lakers' organization -- I don't think Greg Anthony would be pointing the finger of blame at the Lakers; I think he'd be lambasting Manu Ginobili.
Well no matter who did what Greg Anthony has the ability to say that he knows for a "fact" simply because he is such a non figure in the whole equation. You will never see him question Pop or the Spurs FO over the subject simply because he is not a significant figure in the situation. And also nobody is going to question him because it would be a waste of their time. People like Anthony throw out opinions and thoughts as if they were fact all the time because a majority of people don't find them as a significant source of credible information givers.
Cuban obviously felt like Dirk needed a favor. He openly admitted, on latenight television no less, to lobbying to get the rules changed in favor of his boy. Spin it however you'd like but that's some weak . There are numerous actions by Cuban that make me feel "hollier than thou" so I excuse me if express that feeling. Until the Spurs FO comes out and admits to doing such acts like I named above or some other reliable source (this does not include your assumptions) confirms it, I can't assume that "everybody's doing it".
BTW, I'm cool as a cu ber. No need to tell me to chill.
Exactly!
no do I think the Spurs called about the hit. But even if they did, ah fuggit!
Isn't Dirty White Boy a Foreigner song?You actually listen to people called 'Peanut Head' and 'Dirty White Boy'?
^Exactly! I was thinking the same thing, S y.
Honestly as a Laker fan it doesn't really matter who called it in. We're more angry about the suspension. Just because it was pointed out didn't really mean Kobe had to be suspended but he was. The deed is done. We're moving on. Good luck on your rodeo trip and hopefully we meet again in the playoffs.
yea it seems like Kobe and Manu are over it and are still friends. It didn't seem like Manu was every really mad at Kobe, maybe mad that there was no fould call but not at Kobe. He knows he has done the same type of things and that it was an accident. If Kobe had obviously intended to hit kobe in the face like that then it would be a different story, but he didn't.
It doesnt matter if they sent it in or not. At first I didnt think Kobe deserved to get suspended, but after seeing it a few times I realize that it was completly warranted. Kobe could have seriously hurt Manu, broken nose, etc. And Ponky, dont try to defend Cuban, he is the absolute worst at lobbying the league for his team.
That loss to the Knicks could end up being the difference in records between the Spurs and Lakers; why wouldn't you send the tape in if it gave you an advantage? I agree that it was probably Isiah that notified the league.
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