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    Got a mailer daemon back on Anyonewhowilllisten that said there wasn't anyone there.



    Nicely done

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    What the Spurs have done over the past few years finally has caught up with them.

    Early in the careers of Parker and Ginobili, their salaries were very low. This gave the Spurs plenty of room to go out and add impact players to the roster. They signed a series of veterans to medium-level money.

    Now, however, Parker and Ginobili earn market-level series for their contributions (or, slightly below in Manu's case). Their payroll flexibility is gone.

    The team drafted some more Euro players to try to groom them for anticipated roster holes. Sanikidze, Mahmini, Javtokas, Scola, usw.

    They've tried to acquire "diamonds in the rough" to repeat their fortunes with SJax and Devin Brown.

    But none of those plans have panned out. While the Spurs were ahead of the curve five years ago in scouting foreign talent, the rest of the league has caught up. The Spurs have had to chase more of the "project" types.

    Their diamonds in the rough have been more rough than diamond.

    So they've had to stick with the same old veterans, even as they enter the accelerated parts of their decline.

    They have jettisoned high-paid underperforming players, only to see their cheaper replacements be even worse.

    The Jason Kidd saga has turned out to be a killer for the team, even though he didn't sign. The Spurs passed on Josh Howard to preserve cap room. They had Leandro Barbosa in their hands, only to send him to Phoenix.

    What did the Spurs get for that trouble? Well, with the cap room, they got Rasho. With the draft pick from Phoenix, they got to dump Malik Rose's salary on New York, and rent Nazr Mohammed for a year and a half.

    Eventually, there are consequences for frittering away opportunities and assets with nothing in return.

    I really don't think that the front office just thought having a bunch of role players in their late 30's was the best plan for these years. But poor decision-making and execution, after what had been a brilliant string of successes, has left them in their current predicament.

    Once before, the Spurs rebuilt on the fly. The 2001-02 team had a lot of the same problems this team does. On this team, the problems are worse, because a half-crippled 36-year-old David Robinson and a 6'7" Malik Rose were utterly superior in every facet to the Spurs' current centers. But, besides that, the Spurs were able to bring several fresh new faces into the fold for 2002-03, and they gelled ahead of schedule and won a le.

    So the despair of this hopeless roster does not necessarily mean that the Tim Duncan era will go out with a whimper. Retooling is plausible, or would be if the team weren't going up for sale.

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    ES - that's basically it in a nuts . One add-on: the Spurs looked overseas for talent because they knew they were ahead of the curve and also, in large part, because they thought they could get foreign players to play for cheap.

    If only one of those players panned out, or they were willing to pay Scola what he was worth instead of bringing over Oberto, we would be in pretty good shape. Getting any kind of production out of a bench player would be a dream.

    This summer will be close to make or break. If they can't come away from the draft with a very nice wing prospect and a decent possibility for a back-up point guard, they might as well forget it. The way this draft likely shakes out, it's their own damn fault if they fail to get it done again. With a pick in the mid-20s and one in the early-30s, I can't see how they fail to do this, unless their project is to go deeper in the hole and draft international again.

    Then they have the MLE. There are a few swingman prospects this summer, plus others who can fill needs. If they come out with busts and near-busts like Butler and Elson again, then we're in dire shape.

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    what do u think? reply and let me know.
    I think it was right, that you opened a new thread, because the other one is called "reasonable trade ideas"
    just an advice: usually when these genious trade proposals are made, the Scola rights are added.

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    just think about j richardson on the spurs and david lee they would help for now and then after they win it all they can change.

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    Then they have the MLE. There are a few swingman prospects this summer, plus others who can fill needs. If they come out with busts and near-busts like Butler and Elson again, then we're in dire shape.
    They should use part/most of the MLE on Scola. He's likely to bring more "bang for the buck" than any other potential FA.

    The plan:

    Bring Scola over, draft a long 3 (Green, Thornton, Nichols) and a backup PG (Shakur, Steele, Collison, Chalmers), re-sign Bonner and White.

    The '07-'08 roster:

    PG - Parker, Shakur, Udrih
    SG - Manu, Barry, Finley...unless he opts out
    SF - Bowen, Green/Thornton, White
    PF - Scola, Oberto, Bonner
    C - Duncan, Elson, Butler

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    just think about j richardson on the spurs and david lee they would help for now and then after they win it all they can change.
    Let me explain this to you slowly:

    Other teams are not going to trade good players for crap, unless they are stupid.

    Jason Richardson is a good player. He is the heart and soul of the Golden State Warriors. They are not going to trade him for a 35-year-old shooting guard and an expiring contract. That would be stupid.

    David Lee is a good player. On top of that, he is a good big man. Good big men are really rare. Good big men with rookie-scale salaries are really, really rare. Trading one for the worst point guard in the league is something not even Isiah Thomas is stupid enough to do.

    It is not uncommon for 9-year-olds to post wildly unrealistic trades where other teams give up good players in return for crappy Spurs players, for no good reason. Hopefully, you are about 9.

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    just think about j richardson on the spurs and david lee they would help for now and then after they win it all they can change.

    Thinking about it won't change anything....

    Sadly enough, no matter how much we deliberate on this forum, the Spurs will most likely stand pat or make significantly smaller moves that have relatively little impact on the championship run this season.

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    What the Spurs have done over the past few years finally has caught up with them.

    Early in the careers of Parker and Ginobili, their salaries were very low. This gave the Spurs plenty of room to go out and add impact players to the roster. They signed a series of veterans to medium-level money.

    Now, however, Parker and Ginobili earn market-level series for their contributions (or, slightly below in Manu's case). Their payroll flexibility is gone.

    The team drafted some more Euro players to try to groom them for anticipated roster holes. Sanikidze, Mahmini, Javtokas, Scola, usw.

    They've tried to acquire "diamonds in the rough" to repeat their fortunes with SJax and Devin Brown.

    But none of those plans have panned out. While the Spurs were ahead of the curve five years ago in scouting foreign talent, the rest of the league has caught up. The Spurs have had to chase more of the "project" types.

    Their diamonds in the rough have been more rough than diamond.

    So they've had to stick with the same old veterans, even as they enter the accelerated parts of their decline.

    They have jettisoned high-paid underperforming players, only to see their cheaper replacements be even worse.

    The Jason Kidd saga has turned out to be a killer for the team, even though he didn't sign. The Spurs passed on Josh Howard to preserve cap room. They had Leandro Barbosa in their hands, only to send him to Phoenix.

    What did the Spurs get for that trouble? Well, with the cap room, they got Rasho. With the draft pick from Phoenix, they got to dump Malik Rose's salary on New York, and rent Nazr Mohammed for a year and a half.

    Eventually, there are consequences for frittering away opportunities and assets with nothing in return.

    I really don't think that the front office just thought having a bunch of role players in their late 30's was the best plan for these years. But poor decision-making and execution, after what had been a brilliant string of successes, has left them in their current predicament.

    Once before, the Spurs rebuilt on the fly. The 2001-02 team had a lot of the same problems this team does. On this team, the problems are worse, because a half-crippled 36-year-old David Robinson and a 6'7" Malik Rose were utterly superior in every facet to the Spurs' current centers. But, besides that, the Spurs were able to bring several fresh new faces into the fold for 2002-03, and they gelled ahead of schedule and won a le.

    So the despair of this hopeless roster does not necessarily mean that the Tim Duncan era will go out with a whimper. Retooling is plausible, or would be if the team weren't going up for sale.
    Nice recap and good overall assessment

    Though I disagree about your "sale" conspiracy theory

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    They should use part/most of the MLE on Scola. He's likely to bring more "bang for the buck" than any other potential FA.

    The plan:

    Bring Scola over, draft a long 3 (Green, Thornton, Nichols) and a backup PG (Shakur, Steele, Collison, Chalmers), re-sign Bonner and White.

    The '07-'08 roster:

    PG - Parker, Shakur, Udrih
    SG - Manu, Barry, Finley...unless he opts out
    SF - Bowen, Green/Thornton, White
    PF - Scola, Oberto, Bonner
    C - Duncan, Elson, Butler
    Either bring over Scola or try to swap up in the draft with him. If they can move up 10 spots and a Corey Brewer is available, it would be worth it.

    The first rounder should be pegged for one of those SFs. Demetrius Nichols should be in the second round somewhere, and there are a smattering of other prospects littering the late first round and into the second.

    With the Milwaukee pick, which looks better by the day, there are some seniors that might drop and even the outside chance that a Shakur might be there. I wonder where Acie Law will wind up, but he'll probably have a nice tournament.

    Using Scola to move or not, the Spurs should be able to get away from a nice draft like this with 2 decent rotation guys (who Pop will hopefully play). Jeff Green would be excellent. I'd like to see a SF and a PG and just dump Udrih straightaway. Keeping Scola would also be excellent.

    Of course, if the Spurs are stubborn and elect to go international again, then they are morons and deserve the losses next year.

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    just think about j richardson on the spurs and david lee they would help for now and then after they win it all they can change.
    your idea is ridiculous. No one on the planet earth would trade David Lee for Beno except for you. Beno is worth a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich at this point.

    It's like asking for Dwayne Wade for Brent Barry.

    Just trying to help you out. Hang in there and keep trying.

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    I have seen numerous mock drafts which has law in the late 1st round, but these are usually pretty far off on their predictions. I do not thnk we will be able to draft any of the top SF, but this can possible be had in FA. I say draft for back-up PG and athletic 4's..We simply need some rebounders inside and to move duncan to the 5

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