i guess i should put on my glasses. i missed the sarcasm.
It means you aren't making enough at your job and you might want to think about another career/profession.
Philly tied at #8? I'm actually surprised, I didn't think we were that stingy here....
I thought this thread was about Mexicans not tipping when they go out to eat.
Please go see your priest or pastor. Hopefully he can explain it to you. You are just not getting it. The point of hing is to do God's work, not to make you feel all pious by being without money.
Maybe if I use numbers, the light bulb will come on in your head.
Person A makes $50,000. He hes $5,000. He doesn't believe in itemizing his deductions. The church gets: $5,000.
Person B makes $50,000. He hes $5,000. He itemizes his deductions and gets back an extra $1,400. He hes his refund. The church gets: $5,140.
Which person gives more to the church: Person A or Person B? Which person gives more as a percentage of their income?
i'm just not getting it? hing is 10% of your income. you give that as a minimum. i'm fully aware of what hing is. i don't see why this is so hard for people to understand.
Manny could buy an earlobe reduction (and probably write it off or get a deduction or something).
You could learn math.
I think the former would be easier.
yeah. the storage fee on those 'lobes would break the bank.
manny gives a great arguement and all espuelas does is insult him.
Typical 14 year old thinking.
I forget, you can't detect sarcasm.
My bad.
And if you give 10%, write it off, and give your refund, your church gets more money. Your refund can go to the church instead of the Government.hing is 10% of your income. you give that as a minimum.
You are not very intelligent.
Please study tax deductions vs. tax credits.
it's just like pissing in the wind in here. have fun guys.
It's when everyone gets it but you, isn't it?
Never mind. I guess somebody would have to show you by counting jelly beans or something.
no, it's actually funny. it's not even worth further explaining my point. i'll just see what other posts come from it. it's kinda slow here at work, anyway. so how's the weather where you're at? i think i shouldn't catch any mierda from anyone for that question.
Why is it not worth explaining your point? Nobody really gets it so please explain...
His point is that if somebody gets a partial refund of their he, it doesn't count as giving. He is thinking that if he gives 10% of his income, but then Uncle Sam sends him back 3% of his income, then he only really gave 7%.
The fallacies in this thinking are obvious to everyone else, and we have tried to explain them to him, but he doesn't really understand, so I suggest just to leave him alone.
I actually somewhat understand what VLE is saying. There is no doubt that many people he, volunteer, or give charity for reasons other than pure altruism. It certainly doesn't change the effect of the act, but if you are acting to fulfill some religious or spiritual doctrine, the intent should be there as well.
I have read the argument that you should claim the donation and give the money saved to the church, thereby increasing the donation. How many people actually do this? I am sure that it's not many.
It kind of reminds me of these large companies that do charity work and then, list all of their charity work on their website or include information about their "community citizenship" in their brochures. Did they really act out of a sense of charity or out of an obligation to appear charitable?
The tax code exists to reflect what our government (we the people) value and wish to encourage. Home ownership? Yes, there is a Mortgage Tax Deduction. Charity, yes, there is a deduction for charitable giving.
Now, I give to charities; including large national charities, more local concerns, and, yes, my church. Do I do that for the financial benefit? That would be stupid. Even in the top tax bracket a taxpayer only realizes 36% of his/her donation in tax savings. It is not prudent to spend $1.00 to save $.36, nor is it in any way immoral or unjust to then not take those tax savings and also donate those (which would, then, create a deduction of its own - do I need to donate THAT also to be morally clean?)
Finally, many of us do not get tax "refunds" - we end up paying additional taxes to Uncle Sam on April 15th beyond what was deducted from our regular pay. 1099 income, capital gains, interest income, etc. are accrued with no withholding, which creates this, relatively common, scenario.
Therefore, there is no refund windfall from which to write additional funds to our favorite charity or church.
I got an explanation from him and I can understand what he's saying... maybe if people would stop bashing and listen there'd be an interesting discussion going on.
EDIT: Extra Stout, I don't mean you were bashing.
I never said the benefit was purely and immediately financial. It might be a social benefit or a financial benefit that is realized somewhere down the road (e.g., the "corporate citizen" creating a good image to advertise to clients).
Using Extra Stout's example, you get the following below
$50000 salary and since I can't immediately recall the taxing rate for this, we'll use 30%
2006 - You he $5000 and claim it on your tax return as a charitable deduction.
2007 - You he your 10% income for $5000 and since the returned money is the Lord's money, you he the full returned amount of $1500. Your church receives $6500. You claim this on your return again.
2008 - Your 10% for $5000 and the returned money of $1950 for a total of $6950 to your church and claim again.
2009 - Your 10% for $5000 and the returned money of $2085 for a total of $7085 to your church and claim again.
The example is hastily put together so the math might not be 100% but you get the idea.
By not claiming your he in 2006, your church has received $20000 from 2006-2009. By claiming your he in 2006 and the following years, your church has received $25535 from 2006-2009, all without you spending an extra dime out of your pocket. Which do you think your church and the Lord prefer? I don't see how this could be considered a slap in the face.
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