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Silva and Rua would give Chuck a beatdown worse than Rampage did. Nothing has changed.
...other than getting destroyed by Silva and Rua.
Silva and Rua would give Chuck a beatdown worse than Rampage did. Nothing has changed.
i am nowhere near and expert in MMA and i'd say many posters here follow it + know the sport better than i. but imo, chuck doesn't fight that many explosive fighters like rampage. i think it will be a better fight this time, but i'll take rampage. plus, rampage is so much younger...
Here's an english commentary version of Chuck vs Rampage...
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=916MOZ81
Everybody says Chuck has gotten better and Rampage has gotten worse, but I don't know if that's true...
Chuck hasn't fought a good striker since rampage...Vernon White???He's done well beating up wrestlers and grapplers...
and Rampage fought Wand Silva twice and Shogun once...those guys could make ANYBODY look like they've gotten worse. One of the Wand fights was the same night he beat Chuck too, so it wasn't like he was full strength (Wand had fought to a decision against Yoshida that night too).
I don't know what to expect in their rematch actually. I think Chuck has the advantage since he's on a roll and it's his "home court"...but otherwise I think it's pretty even...
Chuck has definitely improved, but I doubt Rampage has gotten worse. There's no real mental edge - Chuck is sure he's unbeatable right now, and he's got serious momentum, but Jackson never lacks confidence (at least not outwardly) and he's more confident because he's already beaten Chuck once. This is not a fight I'd risk money on, even if I had any.
kicking a down opponent. UFC no no.Shogun killing Rampage
Actually you can kick a downed opponent, just not to the head...
Kicks on the ground are great because it prevents guys from just laying on their back and doing nothing (ie, end of round 1 of Silva - Lutter is the most recent example that comes to mind...the last 20 seconds of the rd). You better get your ass back up before you get your face stomped. That's too violent for the US though...instead we'd rather have guys get sliced up with weak ass elbows from the bottom when there is very little contact. Kicks and stomps CAN cause a cut just like any other strike of course, but I've seen many more cuts caused by elbows...
Actually you can kick a downed opponent, just not to the head...
Kicks on the ground are great because it prevents guys from just laying on their back and doing nothing (ie, end of round 1 of Silva - Lutter is the most recent example that comes to mind...the last 20 seconds of the rd). You better get your ass back up before you get your face stomped. That's too violent for the US though
I have to say that I am against kicking to the head while down. I really never liked to see Wandy soccerkick somebody to the head. While I am not a fan of Kenny Florian type elbows, cutting someone isn't as potentially dangerous as a powerfull blunt force trauma blow to the head. In my opinion, the act takes alot of the legitamacy away from the sport.
I don't really have a problem with soccer kicks. Not everybody can do them without hurting themself. I think a good Muy Thai knee in the clinch (ie, Anderson Silva vs Rich Franklin) delivers MUCH more damage...
Stomps to the head are a scary thing though...I could do without them...
I can just see that somebody will get brain damage as a result from a blow like that. Imagine a fighter who is knocked to the ground, dazed, on his way to getting back up, and someone delivers a Cro-cop force kick right to the head. Not good.
I don't see the damage from a soccer kick being any worse than that of a high kick...ie, Rashad - Salmon. I've seen way more KO's from a high kick than a soccer kick. It's just another kicking technique to me. I'm a fan of the soccer kick...
I don't see the damage from a soccer kick being any worse than that of a high kick...ie, Rashad - Salmon. I've seen way more KO's from a high kick than a soccer kick. It's just another kicking technique to me. I'm a fan of the soccer kick...
I think you get alot more power generated when you are kicking something on the ground. Imagine a kicker in football high kicking the ball as opposed to rearing his leg back, and getting as much speed and energy in to his motion as he can before contact. There is alot more force when you have that momentum.
Rashad's kick of Salmon did more than any soccer kick I've seen. It's almost like "punting" a guy's head when he's ducking in and catching a kick like that. Catching a flying knee while going in for a takedown is similar...
and I still think a MT knee that is delivered while pulling the head down and keeping it from rebounding does a LOT more damage. When you soccer kick somebody, the foot gives at the ankle and the other guy's head is able to move with it...
I think the reason some people have a problem with soccer kicks is because it seems like a non-martial arts type act and more like a street-fighting thug-like act. It's not an easy thing to do without hurting your own foot though.
It's an interesting discussion. We'll agree to disagree
The subject has been beaten to death...here are a few threads about...
Silva - Lutter is a prime example why stomps and soccer kicks are needed
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=507841
Jake O'Brien = why the UFC needs soccer kicks
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=501399
imo soccer kicks and stomping should be banned
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=428651
Do you prefer stomps/soccer kicks in MMA?
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=473375
Stomps and soccer kicks- Too Violent?
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=491170
Idea to have soccer kicks in UFC
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=501415
Oh I know the subject has been debated to death. I am glad the UFC has chosen to make them illegal.
Yet there is so much whining about elbows.
LOL...go here:
http://ufcmania.com/
and scroll down to the Maxim Top 10 KO's link...you can watch Wand beat up Rampage both times at the same time
I finally got to watch the fight. Chuck was supposed to implement alot of legkicks early on in the fight. They wanted Quinton to have leg damage by the second round. Dana mentioned this early on in the fight, around the 5 minute mark, and they were still pretty evenly matched, so I believe him and understand why he was pissed.
I knew about the legkick thing...was just being a smartass...
I don't see how Chuck implementing legkicks would've made much difference really....Chuck just got dominated in every way...
Dana White is saying that Chuck vs Rampage won't happen until Sept or so...
I've heard rumors that the UFC had signed Wand Silva to fight Chuck in May at UFC 71 and they're pissed that he lost to Henderson. I hope it's true and I hope the fight still happens...
Liddell-Jackson II Set for May 26 in Las Vegas
Chuck Liddell (Pictures) will finally get a chance to erase the only un-avenged loss of his stellar mixed martial arts career when he takes a second crack at Quinton Jackson (Pictures) on May 26, Jackson's manager and trainer Juanito Ibarra told Sherdog.com Sunday.
There was speculation that Jackson (26-6-0) had asked for another tune-up fight before wanting to face the UFC light heavyweight champion, however Ibarra indicated the Liddell bout should be officially announced by Tuesday of this week.
In their previous encounter, a PRIDE Grand Prix semifinal bout in November 2003, Jackson stopped Liddell in just over 13 minutes. Liddell (20-3-0) has not tasted defeat since, winning seven in a row, including two wins apiece against o Ortiz (Pictures) and Randy Couture (Pictures).
Jackson has had mixed results since defeating Liddell, compiling a 7-3 record (all three losses by KO) including a pair of devastating knockout losses to former PRIDE 205-pound champion Wanderlei Silva (Pictures). "Rampage" made his February UFC debut a success, knocking out Marvin Eastman (Pictures) in the second round.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=7015
finally, chuck by TKO second round
rampage for the win
Can't wait...
WOW, I cant wait. some really exciting stuff coming up for the UFC.
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