Bush lied Quotes

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, thank God Bush ordered plans for a full scale military invasion of Afghanistan his first day in office. He could tell an attack on the US was imminent because he so closely monitored Al Qaeda and took seriously every memo that came across his desk.

[2centsworth]

What are you gonna do? Apparently, it makes 2cents (and fellow republicans) feel better about the war in Iraq, so I guess hypocrisy has its merits.

where did I say that it makes me feel better? Can you read?

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, before he became a media darling, that's pretty much what Richard Clarke was saying. The Bush administration place more emphasis on terrorism in the first 8 months than did the Clinton administration in the prior 8 years.

[ChumpDumper]

he prolonged it, ever hear of Desert Fox?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Tell me how it did happen then.

'93 WTC Bombing; al Qaeda remained a controlling resident in the Taliban run government of Afghanistan.

Khobar Towers; al Qaeda remained a controlling resident in the Taliban run government of Afghanistan.

'98 Embassy Bombings in Kenya and Tanzania; al Qaeda remained a controlling resident in the Taliban run government of Afghanistan. I do believe Osama bin Laden had publicly declared war on the United States at this point, as well.

'00 Attack on the U.S.S. Cole; al Qaeda remained a controlling resident in the Taliban run government of Afghanistan.

Seems to me, he could have invaded Afghanistan on February 26, 1993...and, certainly had cause to do so on several occassions thereafter. So, what's your take?

doesn't justify invading Iraq. unless you think that 5th party, uncorraborated hearsay tying Iraq to OBL is enough justification

[Yonivore]

For the quotes, the Repugs and right-wing rabble defense now is "The hated, wimpy, weak-on-NatSec Dems were all wrong too, so we Repugs are no worse than them."

The big difference is the that Repugs madly hyped, promoated, and actually started a bogus war while the Dems didn't.

Credibility of WHIG/PNAC/neo- s is in the toilet, with the absence of ALL the threats WHIG said were there, unfound by UN pre-invasion, unfound by US military post-invasion.

This week, we hear about Feith and Wolfowitz trashing the NSA/CIA for not coming up with the hard evidence to support PNAC's wet dreams of an Iraqi oil grab.

More stories like this will be certainly coming out. "We'v only just begun" to get at the WHIG deceit on pre-war "intelligence".

Add in ALL the other ty lies, like yellowcake/mobile bio-weapons labs/alu tubes/etc, that didn't pan out, it's much easier to believe the WMD NEVER existed in 2002/03 than to believe the proven liars who said they did.

WMD and all the other was just smoke and fog to obscure the real reasons for invading Iraq: getting to the oil and getting dubya re-elected.

Even dubya, as if he were credible, has said, so facilely, shrugging off all his own responsbility, "oops, we had bad intel, not my problem".

The WMD have not been found. The burden of proof is on the WHIG and the Yoni's to come up with the evidence. Good ing luck. I'm waiting ....

And don't even talk about "handing a liberal democracy to Iraq" but that's not the way democracies happen. See my post yesterday "victory is not an option"

Man, I can almost see the spit flying out of your mouth as you say this while typing it.

You're a seriously deranged individual.

Burden of proof? This isn't a court of law. The military action -- even without WMD's -- was authorized by UNSC Resolution 1661 and the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. Deal.

[ChumpDumper]

Thank God we secured all the WMDs that Yoni still insists exist.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Thank God we secured all the WMDs that Yoni still insists exist.

and proved that Saddam was behind the 9-11 attack

[George Gervin's Afro]

Thank God we secured all the WMDs that Yoni still insists exist.

SHHHHHH He's on a role

[DarkReign]

and proved that Saddam was behind the 9-11 attack

..and that Sadaam was linked to Al Queda

[Oh, Gee!!]

The military action -- even without WMD's -- was authorized by UNSC Resolution 1661 and the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. Deal.

If Iraq was tied the attacks on 9-11, however, no evidence suggests that to be the case

[Yonivore]

If Iraq was tied the attacks on 9-11, however, no evidence suggests that to be the case

I suggest you read the AUMF again. It doesn't say that.

And, I don't think UNSC 1661 even mentions 9-11. I could be wrong though.

[ChumpDumper]

I suggest you read the AUMF again.

I suggest you read all the posts you've made in the past trying to link Saddam and Osama.

[2centsworth]

I suggest you read all the posts you've made in the past trying to link Saddam and Osama.

do you ever say more than 5 words? Or is that your way of not risking your neck. Start a thread, give us some details, or something because the 5 word sarcastic post or smiley faces makes you look dumb as a rock.

[ChumpDumper]

do you ever say more than 5 words? Or is that your way of not risking your neck. Start a thread, give us some details, or something because the 5 word sarcastic post or smiley faces makes you look dumb as a rock.

Aw, don't get angry. I blamed everything on Clinton. What more do you want?

[clambake]

I'm guessing people are clinging to the lies because there is no truth to trump.

[ChumpDumper]

Seriously 2cents, someone uses those same quotes every couple of weeks like we've never seen them before. Do you really think this is new to us? It's not and therefore not worth anything more than an emoticon or two. Bush started the war. Period. You wouldn't be posting all those quotes if you weren't trying to spread the blame around for how badly things have gone. Well tough -- the buck stops with Bush.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I suggest you read the AUMF again. It doesn't say that.

And, I don't think UNSC 1661 even mentions 9-11. I could be wrong though.

JOINT RESOLUTION
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and

Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad; and

Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence; and

Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States; and

Whereas, the President has authority under the Cons ution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States: Now, therefore, be it


IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

[Oh, Gee!!]

where did I say that it makes me feel better? Can you read?

I read between the lines

[Yonivore]

I suggest you read all the posts you've made in the past trying to link Saddam and Osama.

And, I still think they're linked. But, what I think wasn't the question.

[2centsworth]

Seriously 2cents, someone uses those same quotes every couple of weeks like we've never seen them before. Do you really think this is new to us? It's not and therefore not worth anything more than an emoticon or two. Bush started the war. Period. You wouldn't be posting all those quotes if you weren't trying to spread the blame around for how badly things have gone. Well tough -- the buck stops with Bush.

finally something to go on. I don't blame because I'm still a supporter of the war.

I can understand people who have legitamate objections to the war. William F. Buckley strongly opposed the war and I can respect that. I have an uncle who believes war is never the answer and he can explain himself very well which I respect too. However, the Bush Lied hypocrisy not only hurts our war effort but hurts our chances of having meaningful dialogue that would hopefully result in quality legislation. btw, the republicans are guilty of the same sort of garbage and I blast them all the time. I would just like to see the dems hold their leaders accountable too.

I think we would accomplish a lot more that way.

[clambake]

Still? Even after Saddams execution? Linked in after life?

[Yonivore]

JOINT RESOLUTION
To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.

Whereas, on September 11, 2001, acts of treacherous violence were committed against the United States and its citizens; and

Whereas, such acts render it both necessary and appropriate that the United States exercise its rights to self-defense and to protect United States citizens both at home and abroad; and

Whereas, in light of the threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by these grave acts of violence; and

Whereas, such acts continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States; and

Whereas, the President has authority under the Cons ution to take action to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States: Now, therefore, be it


IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

Not that one, you idiot. This one.

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002


Pub. L. 107–243, Oct. 16, 2002, 116 Stat. 1498, provided that:
“Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq’s war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq; “Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism; “Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated; “Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998; “Whereas in Public Law 105–235 (August 14, 1998) [112 Stat. 1538], Congress concluded that Iraq’s continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in ‘material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations’ and urged the President ‘to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Cons ution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations’; “Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations; “Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolution [sic] of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait; “Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people; “Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council; “Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq; “Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens; “Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations; “Whereas Iraq’s demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself; “Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) authorizes the use of all necessary means to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 660 (1990) and subsequent relevant resolutions and to compel Iraq to cease certain activities that threaten international peace and security, including the development of weapons of mass destruction and refusal or obstruction of United Nations weapons inspections in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 (1991), repression of its civilian population in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 (1991), and threatening its neighbors or United Nations operations in Iraq in violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 949 (1994); “Whereas in the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102–1) [set out as a note below], Congress has authorized the President ‘to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolution 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677’; “Whereas in December 1991, Congress expressed its sense that it ‘supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 as being consistent with the Authorization of Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102–1),’ that Iraq’s repression of its civilian population violates United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 and ‘cons utes a continuing threat to the peace, security, and stability of the Persian Gulf region,’ and that Congress, ‘supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688’; “Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105–338) [22 U.S.C. 2151 note ] expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime; “Whereas on September 12, 2002, President Bush committed the United States to ‘work with the United Nations Security Council to meet our common challenge’ posed by Iraq and to ‘work for the necessary resolutions,’ while also making clear that ‘the Security Council resolutions will be enforced, and the just demands of peace and security will be met, or action will be unavoidable’; “Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq’s ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary; “Whereas Congress has taken steps to pursue vigorously the war on terrorism through the provision of authorities and funding requested by the President to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations; “Whereas the President and Congress are determined to continue to take all appropriate actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such persons or organizations; “Whereas the President has authority under the Cons ution to take action in order to deter and prevent acts of international terrorism against the United States, as Congress recognized in the joint resolution on Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40) [set out as a note below]; and “Whereas it is in the national security interests of the United States to restore international peace and security to the Persian Gulf region: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
“SECTION 1. SHORT LE.
“This joint resolution may be cited as the ‘Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002’.
“SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.
“The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to—
“(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and
“(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
“SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
“(a) Authorization.—The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to—
“(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and
“(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
“(b) Presidential Determination.—In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that—
“(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
“(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
“(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements.—
“(1) Specific statutory authorization.—Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution [50 U.S.C. 1547 (a)(1)], the Congress declares that this section is intended to cons ute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution [50 U.S.C. 1544 (b)].
“(2) Applicability of other requirements.—Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution [50 U.S.C. 1541 et seq.].
“SEC. 4. REPORTS TO CONGRESS.
“(a) Reports.—The President shall, at least once every 60 days, submit to the Congress a report on matters relevant to this joint resolution, including actions taken pursuant to the exercise of authority granted in section 3 and the status of planning for efforts that are expected to be required after such actions are completed, including those actions described in section 7 of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105–338) [22 U.S.C. 2151 note ].
“(b) Single Consolidated Report.—To the extent that the submission of any report described in subsection (a) coincides with the submission of any other report on matters relevant to this joint resolution otherwise required to be submitted to Congress pursuant to the reporting requirements of the War Powers Resolution (Public Law 93–148) [50 U.S.C. 1541 et seq.], all such reports may be submitted as a single consolidated report to the Congress.
“(c) Rule of Construction.—To the extent that the information required by section 3 of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (Public Law 102–1) [set out in a note below] is included in the report required by this section, such report shall be considered as meeting the requirements of section 3 of such resolution.”

[2centsworth]

I read between the lines

liberalism is a mental disorder. reading between the lines is making stuff up based on your conditioning so says Stephen Covey.

[Oh, Gee!!]

"Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations"


Whereas Bush admitted that Iraq was not connected to the attack on 9-11

Whereas Bush fabricated the link between Iraq and Al-Queada