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Yep, and that wasn't a link, it was a reference.
You do understand what a book is, right?
Yep, and that wasn't a link, it was a reference.
C'mon CD.... if we had the abilitiy of linking the Pentagon's covert plans of invasion, or other secret operatives.... then they wouldn't be covert - would they?
I don't know how Yoni can assert that pre-9/11 plans for an Afghanistan invasion existed with absolute certainty. But there's no way you can assert the contrary.
There may not have been MILITARY plans for invading Aghanistan and Iraq before 9/11, but PNAC/AEI neo- s had the POLITICAL IDEOLOGY that a gratuitous war now and again is useful for keeping the US military on its toes, for testing high-technology weapons and systems, and just to throw US's bullying weight around to remind the world who is top dog.
That a few 1000 or 10's of 1000s of people, US and others, get killed and 10s or 100s of $Bs gets burned up in these gratuitous wars is of no concern to these assholes.
The New American Century is a plan for US global economic domination, and it that take pre-emptive military strikes (eg, to grab oil), then so be it.
It's no co-incidence that the Caspian oil pipeline and the shallow, high-quality Iraqi oil were in two weak countries that were targeted by PNAC/AEI. I'm sure the OIL in Afghanistan and Iraq was the primary reason for PNAC/AEI's interest. The bull about handing democracy to 2 primitive, backward, sectarian, Muslim countries is and always as pure smokescreen.
Of course, OBL's unique strike on US soil sucked the US military into the foreign killing field of Afghanistan. Then dubya, stooge of PNAC, ed up and moved into another killing ground in Iraq. Result? 10s of 1000s of US dead and injured, and PNAC still doesn't have its hands on Afghan pipeline and Iraqi oil.
And boutons has come fill circle to the 'it's about the oil' argument again. Do you ever come up with anything new?
Not with absolute certainty but, I do know there are a whole of a lot of Pentagon employees whose job it is to formulate military scenarios in places where we can reasonably assume we might have to be engaged militarily.
So, I'm fairly confident an Afghanistan plan or two or fourteen existed, somewhere in the Pentagon, prior to September 11, 2001.
less twerp, the oil argument is MUCH more believable that ANY bull thrown out by the WH.
I note you only post "
You're wrong.
Read a book once in awhile. You are lazy.
Once a plan is executed, it isn't covert anymore.C'mon CD.... if we had the abilitiy of linking the Pentagon's covert plans of invasion, or other secret operatives.... then they wouldn't be covert - would they?
A plan was executed in 2001. Do you really think it was the plan sitting on a shelf since the 80s?
Read the damn book.
Where'd you get that gem?
We execute a lot of covert plans that are never disclosed.
I think the invasion of Afghanistan, in 2001, was probably based on one of several such plans that were drawn up, in advance, and were sitting on a shelf. Yep.
They reviewed the plans, picked the one that most closely fit the cir stance, made some adjustments, and presto, whammo, you have well-coordinated and executed invasion of Afghanistan in just over a month after September 11th.
I don't read Woodward, talks to dead people.
Afghanistan is pretty well known -- at least by people who read.Where'd you get that gem?
We execute a lot of covert plans that are never disclosed.So since it's that well known, it will be easy for you to find something that says that.I think the invasion of Afghanistan, in 2001, was probably based on one of several such plans that were drawn up, in advance, and were sitting on a shelf. Yep.The Pentagon had no plan whatsoever. The CIA developed the plan on the fly since they could get men and money into the country the quickest. It was quite an unprecedented operation and the cooperation between the CIA and armed forces was impressive. You expose yourself as less and less informed every day.They reviewed the plans, picked the one that most closely fit the cir stance, made some adjustments, and presto, whammo, you have well-coordinated and executed invasion of Afghanistan in just over a month after September 11th.Too bad for you. The first book is a great read and quite lauditory towards Bush and the administration.I don't read Woodward, talks to dead people.
I was responding to your preposterous claim that covert plans are known as soon as they are executed.
But, on Afghanistan, I doubt the actual war planning do ents have ever been disclosed. Sure, how you conduct an invasion of that scale is going to be public, and known on a macro scale.
The Pentagon isn't in the habit of advertising logistical specifics and pretty much let the public draw their own conclusions on what the "war plan" was. It's why all the networks emply retired generals; so they can speculate on such.
See above. Usually, the Pentagon doesn't submit their publications to the Library of Congress for an ISBN number.
We know these jobs exist in the Pentagon. Do you think they just sit around and wait to be told to plan for something? I would imagine we have, on the shelf, hundreds of invasion scenarios for dozens of countries.
I think you're being deliberately re ed on this topic because, well... , who knows, maybe you're actually re ed.
"...no plan whatsoever." Yeah, right. You're right, there was unprecedented cooperation between the CIA and the armed forces. But, just because you can't get 100,000 soldiers, and all the necessary logistical support that implies, to the border of Afghanistan on a moment's notice, doesn't mean they didn't have a plan to do so...it just means it can't be done.
Are you going to suggest that all the intelligence, all the logistics, all the resupply routes, all the potential targets, all the potential resources, all the locations of assault weren't even considered before 9/11?
So I heard. He's still a ing liar that pretends dead people tell him stuff.
Covert means "done secretly". I think the cat is out of the bag on this one. Not to mention they made it pretty obvious what they planned to do.
Coca Cola's formula is secret but, yet we know they make the stuff. You know the formula is written on a piece of paper somewhere -- it exists. Just because it isn't made public, doesn't mean it didn't exist before they decided to start making Coca Cola, does it?
Covert plans do not necessarily mean covert actions and, overt actions don't always reveal the secrets of a covert plan.
AQ in Japan....boy, those guys must be reeeeeeeal hard to pick out of a crowd.
Is there a better comparison of 2 very different looking ethnicities in the world?
Im stumped as to which, except maybe a black NBA player in Asia.
Seeing as they take orders from superiors, yes.Sure -- but they didn't have one for Afghanistan.I would imagine we have, on the shelf, hundreds of invasion scenarios for dozens of countries.How mature. You on the other hand, are simply showing your ignorance because you are ignorant.I think you're being deliberately re ed on this topic because, well... , who knows, maybe you're actually re ed.I'm not suggesting it at all -- I'm saying it."...no plan whatsoever." Yeah, right. You're right, there was unprecedented cooperation between the CIA and the armed forces. But, just because you can't get 100,000 soldiers, and all the necessary logistical support that implies, to the border of Afghanistan on a moment's notice, doesn't mean they didn't have a plan to do so...it just means it can't be done.
Are you going to suggest that all the intelligence, all the logistics, all the resupply routes, all the potential targets, all the potential resources, all the locations of assault weren't even considered before 9/11?Just like our new SecDef -- I'm sure you think he's a ing liar too.So I heard. He's still a ing liar that pretends dead people tell him stuff.
Well dip, let me assure you that there are plans in the
military for every eventuality. Not that they are ever followed
but believe me they exist. God only knows I have had to
follow and abide by them many times.
The military, which seemed to have contingency plans for the most
inconceivable scenarios, had no plans for Afghanistan, the sanctuary of
bin Laden and his network. There was nothing on the shelf that could be
pulled down to provide at least an outline. This was not a surprise for
the secretary of defense.
Bush at War, page 22.
Now I have to read books for you too.
Since Woodward interviewed pretty much everyone high up who had anything to do with the planning of Operation Enduring Freedom and nobody contradicted this statement -- why exactly should I believe Yoni who has interviewed no one and written nothing?
Funny Chump, but we had people on the ground there in no time
flat and working with the Northern alliance. What book are you
referring to? And how do they explain that we were able to have
people on the ground so fast.
Yes, that was the CIA plan.Funny Chump, but we had people on the ground there in no time flat and working with the Northern alliance.The le is under the quote.What book are you referring to?It's a great read. You can get it for five bucks at Half Price Books.And how do they explain that we were able to have people on the ground so fast.
I think we've had people working with the N. Alliance for 15 years.
Woodward is great. He's got something, because people love talking to him. He's got a certain charm that disarms the person he's interviewing.
[Jeopardy theme plays while Yoni feverishly searches blogs to back him up]
less twerp, the oil argument is MUCH more believable that ANY bull thrown out by the WH.
I note you only post "
A laughing emoticon contains just as much substance as anything you have ever posted on this site.
Masochistic ? Cute. Did mommy buy you a thesaurus or something?
I just gave you the definition for covert. But if overt actions means not revealing covert plans, ok. I wish overt actions would have meant covert plans=success.
So I guess "greatest military campaign of all time" = fire Rumsfeld?
Actually, Yoni's not worrying about it.
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