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This is absolutely and completely counter-factual.
I'm not sure that Spurs have no chance at all to land Maggette before the trade deadline.
Clippers have waited to get an offer they like without a result. They will have to do a choice at the trade deadline : either keeping Maggette or taking the best offer available.
Are they ready to keep him despite his bad relation with Dunleavy ?
Is Spurs offer the best available ?
I haven't an answer for both questions but I don't think there is an obvious one.
This is absolutely and completely counter-factual.
I think this is the likeliest deal at this point, if LAC still elects to trade him. I don't think the Spurs are interested, I'm not sure Sterling wants Dunleavy's son there, and I'm not sure what Utah is offering, maybe something with Giricek.
Haven't you been the one saying the deal was never on the table? How can they pull the trigger on a deal that never was, as you've been telling me?
What do you mean "on the table"? As in, about to be signed? No, I don't think so. Was there interest shown on both sides? Absolutely. If the Spurs wanted Maggette, they could have done Barry+Udrih+future first rounder, as has been stated here numerous times. LAC basically stated that's what they were looking for. The price is probably lower now, but I think the Spurs don't want him. They didn't want to part with the first, at the very least, or their two ball handlers. Now, even with Udrih marginalized and without the first involved, I don't think the Spurs want it done.
So after two months, you see where I'm coming from? The Spurs could have had him. That's been my point since this whole mess started.
Counter factual?@ you reffering to anything about this trade speculation as "fact" or "counter factual". I've seen ONE credible report saying the Clippers were intrigued by Beno/Barry, and thats it. I've seen subsequent reports saying they won't do the deal.
... Counter factual.... nice.
Does it really matter what could have happened?So after two months, you see where I'm coming from? The Spurs could have had him. That's been my point since this whole mess started.
Bottom Line: The Spurs were hesitant to trade Barry for Maggette then, and I don't think much has happened to change their minds.
IMO, no "significant" trades will go down involving the Spurs (man I could really eat my words...but then again, I'd be happy to do so).
Saying that the Spurs could have had Magette at any point is by far reading a whole of a lot into the word "intrigued".
Maggette is going to likely be a trade deadline deal, especially since Sterling has to be convinced of any trade. Our big advantage is that we can give them two three point shooters that aren't troublemakers. Baylor still has time to see if anyone is willing to sweeten the deal.
Bruno, I'm not saying its not a possibliity (albiet its an extreme longshot), what I am saying is that there is no way the Clips ever said "Magette for Barry/Beno" and the Spurs said "NO!".
1. The Spurs could have had Maggette for Barry+Udrih+a future first.
1a. The Spurs did not want to do this. They claimed due to losing their bench ball-handlers.
1b. There was a brief mention of Bonner at one point, suggesting Barry+Bonner+the first. The Spurs were not thrilled with this.
2. The asking price for Maggette has likely gone down. He pitched a fit about Dunleavy. If he's traded this year, he's traded cheap.
2a. LAC will accept less than their "veteran player, young prospect, plus future first rounder" demand.
3. The Spurs will not trade Barry+Udrih for Maggette. Udrih they don't care about. Barry they like a lot. Mostly they don't think Maggette will work as a Spur.
3a. This is my hypothesis, but I think it's true. The Spurs could have had him for Barry+Udrih+future first. They could have him now for the first two of those elements.
4. Maggette, if he is traded this year, will be traded for James Posey, possibly Dunleavy's son, or a package including Gordon Giricek.
I'm not saying too that Spurs have turned down a Maggette for "Barry/Beno" deal.
I just disagree with you that it's an extreme longshot. To me Spurs' chances to get Maggette are closer to 20% than 1%.
To restate what I think has happened: The Spurs do not want Maggette. They have already decided he is not good within their system. I may be wrong, but I don't think they care to be in the running.
My guess is that the first rounder and/or the last year of Maggette's contract were the sticking points for the Spurs more than any great love for ballhandling guards. Maggette may have driven the price down to where the first rounder is no longer necessary. We'll see in a week.
Maybe you're right, maybe not.
Every Reports (and Maggette) say that Spurs are interested.
As said ChumpDumper : we'll see in a week.
What made you change your mind? You've been fighting me over that point for like two months now.
Either way, welcome to the light.
Intrigued never meant so much.
When was a 1st round pick ever even mentioned outside of this forum?
What are you talking about? That's what the Clippers stated they wanted. They stated that very early on and it's a matter of record. Change my mind from what? The Spurs said they didn't want to give up their ball-handlers, but I suspected there was more to it than that, namely not wanting to give up a first round pick. In the meantime, I believe the Spurs decided they did not want Maggette. On this last point, I may be wrong, but I think they're done with it. So... whatsit about coming to the light, now? Because I admitted a factual point about the whole deal that I've been saying for about a month and a half now? Why do you claim victories over strawmen?What made you change your mind? You've been fighting me over that point for like two months now.
Either way, welcome to the light.
Wakey, wakey. Ever heard of Elgin Baylor? GM of the Clippers?
I swear you have for brains.
Can you not see the difference?
First you said that the Clippers wouldn't have taken the deal. Now you are saying the Clippers would have taken the deal, but the Spurs don't want Maggette.
I can see the difference timvp.
You know, I personally never saw a hint that the Spurs were going to trade for Ely. Same thing last year w/ Barry for J.R. Smith. We knew Barry was being shopped, but to who was all speculation. It seems once these rumors hit ESPN.com or this forum, the FO nixes the deal. If Beno is traded, you can bank on it that it'll be a scenario none of us had any idea about.
I can even smell it
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