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what about bhuddists
GOD has always existed. Infinity has no beginning and no end; this applies to GOD's timeline.
I suppose some will say man created GOD; but that is an opinion as well isn't it?
what about bhuddists
What did God say age of consent should be?
Anybody got the age of Mary when she gave Birth? I bet she was under 15.
Age of consent is a legal fiction, based more on mores, not morals.
If you're in high dudgeon about this Hungary story, then you should be equally upset by the sexualization of childhood in the USA by coporate marketing and media.
And Hector lives happily ever after.
You should write a Disney screenplay.
I'll take famous Ted Haggard quotes for $800, Alex.
Just because most men are selfish does mean that man's nature is selfish.
Don't believe everything you read.
The majority of people are as selfish as they are curious.
High dudgeon???
Dude, I'm not preaching... I'm simply stating my viewpoint.
And yes I'm 'equally' upset by the sexualization of childhood in this country... the fact that children are being exposed to sexuality at such young ages is not healthy for their development... and in a sense it shortens their childhood - a truly unappreciated facet of our lives.
That, of course, is one of many philosophies.
I believe man is corrupt; that we've all been tainted by the fall of Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden. Why? Because in that very moment a temporary rift was created between GOD and man until the day humankind was to be redeemed by Christ... And even then... that redemption, though extended to all, has to be willingly accepted. For a return to that perfect state with GOD sin has to be forever vanquished from the face of the planet.
Furthermore, I believe each and every one of us will be held accountable for our actions before the one True and Supreme Judge. Personally, I wouldn't want to count on my own 'goodness' to meet His absolute standards.
You act as if humans were altruistic beings by nature. But then wouldn't that oppose the evolutionary concept that supposedly drives all species into a 'survival of the fittest' mindset? Selflessness and altruism are not concepts that can be explained by an evolutionary model that engenders a 'me first' biological frame of mind. Altruism and 'goodness' are spiritual gifts from above. These divine traits are some of the characteristics of a true Christian - they that can give of themselves without expecting anything in return.
Keep in mind that one has to consciously conjure up restraint in order to weed out the manifestation of selfish desires in their personalities. And in the case of 'true Christians', they rely on the strength of the Holy Spirit to aid them in this daily struggle. They are also to reflect GOD's love upon the world but most fail miserably in this venture.
Hardy har har.... I'll take 'cynical remarks for $1,000'
I'm out. I have to wake up at 4:30 AM later this morning.
Age of consent should be exactly the same as the age of majority. Or the other way around.
I don't think very many wealthy men and women sit around and ponder if divinity wants them to be even richer. We humans are creatures of our society, or is society the way it is because of the very nature of man?Just because most men are selfish does mean that man's nature is selfish.
Is there a seperate for sociopaths?Furthermore, I believe each and every one of us will be held accountable for our actions before the one True and Supreme Judge. Personally, I wouldn't want to count on my own 'goodness' to meet His absolute standards.
Almost everybody's reaction to making porn legal for 14 year olds is "What?! No way, how can that be okay?"
But, if we use reason, it should be okay, at least that's what my reason tells me (but it is just my vote). 14 year old girls can get pregnant and 14 year old males can impregnate. Why can't they have sex? If having sex is okay and reasonable then why can't they video tape it, and why can't someone older than them watch that video if the participants don't mind? Saying that 14 year olds aren't mature enough for sex despite the fact that their bodies are is an opinion. I'm sure many 14 year olds would be more responsible with sex than many 30 year olds. There are plenty of adults (adults in the legal sense) that aren't sexually responsible. Watching one episode of Maury Povich paternity tests can prove that, I think.
Yet I still think that allowing 14 year olds to have sex is wrong. Obviously I also think that 14 year olds in porn is wrong also. The question is why I (and almost everyone else) believe this. It can only be because I think it is wrong on some fundamental level beyond my reasoning ability. That contridicts reason, and I know it, and I suspect the majority of people would agree with that, but we still believe it.
That is the question. I would say that God intends the age of consent to be the age that a person is capable of properly raising a child. That implies that the age of consent varies from person to person and that some people should never have sex. I think that reality proves both to be true. Of course, that's just my single vote.
Children are vulnerable. They are limited in thier mental/physical capacities. They grow and continue to grow, until mentally/physically they parallel the average person of the population. When they reach the mental/physical level of the average person, they instantly become vulnerable, and basically subject to a generally accepted, lower regard for sexual exploitation. That's my theory.
I should probably say that in a society like America that is democratic, and economically supported through free enterprise, and thus dependent on consumerism, our culture and even our moral beliefs reflect what the people want and can tolerate. Diverse religion being tolerated in America, and most of them having similar set core morals and values, we as a society are share much of the same beliefs-- an agreed on idea of what is right and what is wrong. Religion has a lot to do with what we hold as right or wrong. It shows in our consumerist/free enterprise society--because if you were to allow stuff like child pornography in America, the general take on it would be
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I'm guessing you meant less vulnerable there. I would basically agree with all of what you said.
Still there's this:
That's where the voting aspect comes into play. What is the fundamental foundation for outlawing 14 year olds from porn?When they reach the mental/physical level of the average person, they instantly become less vulnerable, and basically subject to a generally accepted, lower regard for sexual exploitation.
No, I meant vulnerable. Why would they be less vulnerable as children?
Never mind with what I said^^^^^I though you were talking about the first sentence.
religion/mental capacity. Historic nomadic peoples who lived in all parts of the world, but never crossed paths, have left evidence that they too nourished and cared for their young. The Bible/similar religions teaches us the same of values. But these nomads unknowingly followed its teachings and acted in ways similar in terms of keeping with its regard for family, and the value of life, as in children etc. There is only one thing that account for that: our instinctive, extreme regard for the growing. If their was no intervention from a higher being, and thus no external implementation of moral codes--such as the Commandments--these people must have created a basic system of belief centered around what they instinctively believed was right or wrong.
Anyway, In order for the majority of the people of today to accept a thing like child pornography the majority would have to abandon religion containing similar values, and our instinctive inclination to nourish and protect the growing would have end. The only way that can ever happen is if people with same mental capacity as children (children) become the majority.
Does the Bible/similar religions really instill in us a regard for children, that does not exist in our nature, or do we naturally posess a regard for children? I think we have it naturally, like I said up their^^^^.
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My understanding is that Jewish tradition says that boys/girls become adults at age 13/12. I don't think we want to be that biblical though.
And she was undoubtably more mature than 13-15 year olds today. Mature enough to raise children (as someone above already hinted) and mature enough to tend to the duties of her marriage...
Bringing up the subject of Mary however is a moot point... GOD didn't engage in 'physical' relations with Mary - 'Jesus was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit'. Besides Mary was legally married to Joseph and didn't engage in pre-marital sex (or if you speak to some Roman Catholics they don't believe that Mary ever engaged in sexual relations with Joseph whatsoever). The fact of the matter, is that she was married - and was mature enough shoulder that responsibility.
Anyhow... age is only one factor in this debate, there are other factors to consider as well such as the aforementioned maturity level of a child, their emotional stability, and their physical readiness and capabilities. Since this varies from child to child (or teen to teen) it should follow that everyone in a certain age-group should be protected against exploitation - a reasonable expectation that would protect the less developed minds.
"she was undoubtably more mature than 13-15 year olds today"
Where is your evidence for this assertion? or do you just "believe" whatever bull "religious" cant you dream up or hear from your thought-masters?
Social expectations and mores were totally different, unimaginably different, 2000 years ago.
Your supposing that today's pre-teen/early-teen girls are "immature", but they are exposed to murder and sex in the media non-stop. Today Western society expects pre-teen girls to be fully sexual beings, strutting around with their abdomens exposed down to the mons pubis, cleavage exposed (or created with sexy bras), receiving mandatory anti-STD vaccines, half-naked from the waist up, tarted up in pre-teen beauty contests like $5 s, etc, etc.
Hungary is only formalizing what is de facto the case in many Western countries, including the USA. If you don't like what Hungary is doing, you're a hypocrit throwing stones from your own glass house.
"Besides, Mary was legally married to Joseph"
#7 do not commit adultery
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Hey... you brought her up. What makes your take on the Mary issue more valid than mine? Especially since you've already determined that the whole story was contrived to begin with.
And yes I do believe that our teens now are way more immature than their counterparts even a couple of centuries ago. You can look into any other history book to see the context for yourself since you feel inclined to believe the Bible holds no merit whatsoever on the issue.
And please elaborate why you feel my opinion on the issue is hypocritical? I don't see how... I oppose pornography period; no matter the age.
Are you suggesting Mary committed adultery?
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